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⌈ Secret Post #2202 ⌋

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Sorry, early today!

Also: I'm not going to officially warn for tongue-in-cheek "triggers" just to provide anyone with a fandom-specific in-joke when there are none in the secret.

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Yeah, but frankly, so what? The SJW population is incredibly small compared to the populations they're railing against. It's easy to get a skewed view of that from fandom, where most of us are fairly liberal and so SJW seem overwhelming and to some. But if you compare the number of people who believe in "die cis scum"-type SJ warriorism to the number of people who genuinely believe that, say, false reporting makes men the true victims of rape -- even just on the internet, outside of communities like this -- it's going to be very much in favor of the latter.

Frankly, I think a lot of people use SJW-blaming as a way to dodge the issue entirely, just as people in the 'real world' use extreme feminist strawmen. Even using the term "SJW" as a pejorative -- well, I get pretty intense about some social justice issues, I'd call myself a social justice warrior, and yet I think I'm pretty damn reasonable. There are some fucked up feminists out there, yet we tend to agree in this community that it's wrong to use "feminist" as a pejorative, or to assume that because there are feminists saying extreme things, all feminists are extreme.

When people say SJW, they are specifically referring to the people who dogpile and derail into their own pet issues. No one (worth talking to) believes that simply being passionate about social justice makes you a SJW.

My part of the 'so what' is that I'm really leery about confrontation. I kinda just wanna edge back and go 'please no one notice me' when anything like that breaks out near me.

Like I said, I do hope this campaign or something like it goes viral, goes out into the real world, hell I want this attitude to get discussed and placed on the news and publicized the shit out of. But it still makes me edgy. Because, well. Confrontation. Negativity. It really does drive people off stuff that needs talked about.

That's my point -- there are people who say, "I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about feminists." Well, no, that's fucking stupid. There are some people who go too far with confrontation, but it's equally stupid to link them to the social justice movement and then act like they're a valid reason to judge the whole mass, or to avoid a social justice issue.

As for the second point... I don't really know what to say to that. There is going to be confrontation over literally any issue that gets publicized. A woman made a kickstarter politely saying that video games on the whole are negative towards women and someone made a popular response game where she was beaten. If we're going to get paralyzed by the idea of confrontation, there's no point, but either way I think we should be worrying a lot more about shit like that than what a fringe group on tumblr has to say.

...I'm not judging the whole thing though? I'm saying I'm personally leery of confrontation because I've seen one too many blow ups. I do get the nuances, but there's an instinct in me that goes 'arguing, do not involve in' when things like that pop up and I don't quite want to kill it, because I have seen me in internet arguments over other things. It is Not Pretty. I have rage issues.

And I can understand why people would be leery of it especially because of stuff like that, y'know? They do not want to get involved, because there are not enough reasonable people involved to make the reasonable people who talk heard.

It is awful. That stuff does need to stop. I am not remotely arguing that. I am just saying, it is not easy to speak up, and I guess maybe I'm kinda feeling it's a combination of fear of repercussions from saying anything and the thought that no one's actually listening. (Combined with the fact that when I do tell off people I know online, usually on IRC, they either ignore me or argue with me and not change their minds. I had an hour long argument once wherein two people kept insisting being gay was a choice no matter what I said. Talking about social justice stuff with people I know online does not end well for me. I am bad at people.)

There is also the fact that I think it will do a lot more good if those sorts of flyers get handed around in the real world, if presentations are given and real world people listen. Because people don't really...listen, in any of the places those pictures are. The people reblogging them and giving them likes and sharing them on Facebook already agree. The people watching them already agree or tune it out as white noise.

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