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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-01-14 06:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #2204 ]


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(Anonymous) 2013-01-15 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
I always recommend "Remembrance of the Daleks" (Seven and Ace era) and "City of Death" (Four and Romana II era) for new fans.

There are other serials that I like better, but I think those are the ones that would be the easiest for new viewers who are used to the new series to get into without becoming bored by the old-fashioned pacing and writing or put off by the different style and/or budget-fail.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-15 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
I like to start people with Four's first serial 'Robot'.

If you are put off by the terrible bluescreen robot and hilariously obvious remote-control plastic tank, rather than amusedly charmed and/or able to overlook it for the story and characters, then Old Who probably isn't for you. XD

(Anonymous) 2013-01-15 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
If you are put off by the terrible bluescreen robot and hilariously obvious remote-control plastic tank, rather than amusedly charmed and/or able to overlook it for the story and characters, then Old Who probably isn't for you. XD

This is a concern, yes. I madly adore Three, for example, and I've always had a sneaking fondness for shoddy BBC Sci-fi sets (I watched Blake's 7, you've got to), but I still remember the shambling foam tentacle monsters from The Claws of Axos and have to giggle. All of UNIT looks so terrified, and yet the monsters are so clearly men in bad foam suits.

I mean, I adore it, I truly do, but if you're used to NuWho and CGI, good lord are you in for some culture-shock.

(Anonymous) 2013-01-15 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
I always have such trouble picking out specific serials to tell people to start with, because all my favourites sort of require context. I mean, I keep wanting to go: "You should watch Inferno! It's Who's answer to the Mirror!verse from Star Trek! It's awesome!" But Inferno doesn't have the impact unless you've spent some time with the Brigadier beforehand. Or: "You should watch Battlefield! Bambera/Ancelyn! The Brigadier and Ace!" But, then, again, I have to remember that it just won't mean the same things unless you've already met UNIT during Three's era.

The one I personally started on was Pyramids of Mars, from early Four, because my Dad told me quite firmly that if you wanted Who, you wanted Four. And while Four never became my favourite Doctor, it turned out there was nothing wrong with that serial, it was quite enjoyable. And obviously I'm still hooked, so something must have stuck.

I do have fond memories of Resurrection of the Daleks, from the Fifth Doctor era. It showed a lot of Five's struggle for morality, and his sometimes-painful relationships with his companions. If you're coming from NuWho, that mightn't be a bad place to start. Though, yes, the pacing is old-fashioned.

I just ... am never very good at picking specific stories to point people at.
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[personal profile] tenlittlebullets 2013-01-15 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
Those are both the serials I'd go for too, but with the additional recommendation that if you find yourself going "okay, this is cute and fun, but I can't say I'm impressed," follow them up with "Curse of Fenric" (Seven and Ace) and/or "Genesis of the Daleks" (Four and Sarah Jane).

Additional recommendations:

- There is a lot to be said for watching One's first season in order! Maybe not as your first foray into classic Who, because it's not at all representative of the rest of the show, but that's what makes it enchanting: the format is open-ended; they go off on ridiculous quests and have episodes set entirely in the TARDIS and hang out in different time periods just for fun; it's heavy on wonder and exploration and pulling absolute magic out of tin-can equipment, no budget, and creative uses for random items. (So basically the show is the Doctor and the Doctor is the show? Ahaha oh god.)

- This has nothing to do with anything and is by no means a serial impressive for its sterling quality, but goddammit if "Time Monster" (feat. Three, Jo, UNIT, the Master, and a bunch of phallic objects) wasn't the first serial to make me go "oh my god, show, I love your stupid face." It's made of the most delicious crack all the way through.

- ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING WITH SEVEN AND ACE might be a good jumping-off point from New Who, because (a) they are flawless and Ace is a teenage misfit tomboy explosives expert and Seven shamelessly enables her blowing-shit-up tendencies, and (b) it has a lot of elements in common with New Who, particularly Ace having a (troubled) home life and a real character arc. And the darker, manipulative take on the Doctor. And Daleks flying up stairs.

- If all else fails, seriously, pick a random serial out of a hat and sit down with a friend, some cheap wine, and zero expectations. That is seriously my main strategy for watching classic Who. (Except instead of picking things out of a hat we tend to turn to each other and go "So, I haven't seen _____, are you up for it?")
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[personal profile] intrigueing 2013-01-15 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
IA with all of this (well, not completely, I didn't much care for the Time Monster despite it's entertaining crackiness but then again I'm not nearly as big a Master fan as you ;)).

I really like watching One's episodes in order because dammit, even if they tend to be standalone-y his character arc in them is SO WONDERFUL. Yeah, it probably was way more motivated by "okay, lets make this guy likable too instead of just the teachers" on the part of the writers, but it works. So well. In retrospect it's very easy to view him as a young rebellious guy in an old man's body who behaves like an old wise guy but thinks like a young guy, kind of an inverse-Eleven. And the way he grows so much and loosens up and stops trying to be so ~impressive and ~mature and ~important and opens up under Ian and Barbara's influence in particular until he starts understanding these odd human types and their idiosyncrasies and is comfortable being genuinely sweet and silly and having loads of fun is just...*hugs* Best character development out of all the Doctors, hands down. *goes off to rewatch The Space Museum*