[ SECRET POST #2213 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2213 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What a new and refreshing opinion. There's not at all a buttload people who express it as a part of their critique of the Narnia series, no wonder it's a secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Sadly those voices have started fading off from fandom, so anyone wandering into Narnia's corner right now is gonna get hit with tons and tons of "Aslan can do no wrong because JESUS!" Worse, that group comes with serious bigotry-baggage. Facepalming ensues.

[wauwy]

I always like hearing how Aslan is a dick, myself. A Marty Stu if there ever was one, and obnoxiously racist to boot.

I mean it pretty much goes to show that even in an awesome fantasy book written by an incredibly skilled author at his prime who can shape the events of the story any way he wants, the Judeo-Christian version of God is annoying. A good thing to realize, IMHO

[(Anonymous)]

You just lost any credibility you may have had by using the term "Judeo-Christian".

[wauwy]

GOD NO, NOT WHEN YOUR ESTEEM MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME

[thene]

eh, I figure anon has read things by Jewish people objecting to the term because it's generally used as a form of fake-inclusion by people who are actually hyper-focused on the '-Christian' part of it, which would be a valid complaint here as Aslan is a very Christian figure and not in any way a Jewish one in any way that I know of?

[wauwy]

It's a fact that God the Father in Christianity/the New Testament is 95% Yahweh from the Hebrew Scriptures. I hate both, hence Judeo-Christian God.

It's not like, obscure terminology

Hell, extend it to The Abrahamic God if you like.

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

Not trying to be confrontational, but does this dislike in the non-fictional world of that deity lead to your dislike of Aslan? (in the sense that you would not dislike him so much if he wasn't connected to this belief system)

[(Anonymous)]

Have Jews and Christians decided that they no longer worship the same God and share parts of the same holy texts?

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

Curious - in just The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe or in all of the books?

[wauwy]

I liked him in an Optimus-Prime kind of way in the first book, but that was probably because I was too young to FULLY grasp the parallels (though I grew up in a highly Catholic family so I definitely knew the whole sacrifice thing = Jesus). But to be honest he was a little offputting in that one too, and of course he just got more annoying (and female sexuality kept getting more and more evil) as the books went on. Especially toward the Calormenes.

I actually minded Aslan LESS in The Last Battle toward the end because it was so clear he was Jesus at the Last Judgment there. I didn't get the feeling that Lewis was trying to Trick Children Into Christianity Via Cool Lion at that point. There was no tricking involved.

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

In all fairness to the author, the market for his original story was British school children in the earlier part of the twentieth century who were already as a whole VERY familiar with who Jesus was and they probably didn't consider there to be much trickery involved in the get go, more just a retelling of themes they were familiar with.

More to your point, though, J. R. R. Tolkien (who was friends with Lewis), thought Lewis was wayyyy too heavy-handed with his allegory (vs LotR), so you're at least in good company in that

[wauwy]

I'm aware of the context he was writing in, but others have done it far better (Auden, for instance). Also, as writers have changed since then, so have readers. His work is obnoxious as fuck to read.

Also, IMO he began to get REALLY lazy with the conflicts and storylines as the story went on. Even as a kid I was like "Shit, I don't want to live in Narnia anymore. It sounds like a crappy place."

That description of the fish in LWW will still sound really delicious though. Along with Turkish Delight, whatever that is. (I actually do know what it is, please don't tell me, anyone)

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Maybe the Narnia-is-getting-crappier feeling was actually intentional. It's a common belief amongst Christians that the world is going downhill.

[wauwy]

First, lol millennialists. Second, Narnia wasn't supposed to be the world per se though, it was a quasi-heaven, especially by the last book, where at the very end things became REAL heaven.

idk, it's clear by that point that Lewis had just thrown his hands up and was like "ROCKS FALL, THEY WERE DEAD THE WHOLE TIME"

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

As someone who believes in the Second Coming, I agree with your "lol millennialists". Didn't anyone ever remember that verse about no one knowing the day nor the hour of the coming of the Lord?

I never saw Narnia as a quasi-heaven. It always came off to me as a magic land of adventure that maybe didn't have World War 2 bombing to worry about, but had it's own share of problems (that were conveniently solved by children).

Mmm, I don't think I was ever hugely happy about the last book, even back when I first heard it in second grade (the joys of being in a church school? Naria was the books of the teacher-reading-to-the-class session).

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

Everyone interprets things differently, but I always read TLB (one of my favorite books of the series) as being the most 'real world' example of all the books - new age prophets that present the old god/religion in new ways that tries to mesh different religions that aren't actually based on the same mythology into one with smoke and mirrors, etc.

Also I read the very end of book more of a blatant 'all of Aslan's chosen died and were taken into the Narnia within Narnia at the same time' pretty much exactly like some people read the end of the New Testament (or at least the part that doesn't involve fiery heavenly justice being meted out) than CS Lewis just given up, but I'm not exactly a Biblical scholar either.

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

Well, in all fairness to the author he did originally plan the first book as a stand alone, and due to popular demand it ended up continuing - it wasn't like he plotted out the whole story from start to finish.

Partly why I enjoyed the fact - as I got older - that my full set I received as a kid were in published order instead of technical chronological story order... Can kind of watch the over-reaching story develop from the eyes of the creator in a way vs newer boxed sets where you start with TMN and go from there, but this is probably just my personal 'thing'.

I was disappointed by Turkish Delight the first time I tried it - it had been built up to this huge amazing thing in my head since I was seven-ish years old and I was...underwhelmed. ;) Also, Narnian feasts are outranked by Redwall ones in my head, but not by a huge amount.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

So there is definite confirmation that JRRT disliked the allegory in the Narnia books? I know he's recorded as "cordially disliking" allegory in general but I've always wondered if anything was ever said about his opinion of Narnia in particular.

[(Anonymous)]

See, the thing is Lewis didn't consider the Narnia books to be allegory at all. Apparently he claimed to dislike allegory as much as Tolkien did. I have to wonder what the Chronicles of Narnia would have been like if he'd actually written them as allegory.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I wonder, since it's always been obvious to me (I admit though, my first encounter with Narnia was as the books (well, LWW, MN and LB) being read to my 2nd grade class by our teacher, and I will note I went to a church school so there was plenty of reason why she felt like pointing it out).