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fandomsecrets2013-01-27 02:39 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2013-01-27 02:39 pm
[ SECRET POST #2217 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2217 ⌋
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The details may be different, the role of wife/bride is still an important theme for both Amy and Donna. Donna's role as bride may not last a whole season like Amy's, but it's still an undercurrent of her character that goes all the way until her character's ending on the show.
That's the thing about themes; they don't have to be exactly the same in every detail to still draw a connection between two things.
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)You just want to hate on Amy and Moffet don't you? You don't care at all that there are similarities between other companions ...
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In case you don't wanna hunt for it (I know that can be a pain), it pretty much says that since the other characters don't bear such obvious symbolic and thematic similarities to each other (like if Rose were a doctor and then Martha was a nurse) and because their storylines and character developments played out in an enjoyable and sensible way, I don't take issue with them being similar. Moffat copying themes from Donna's character isn't the entirety of the issue for me; it's the fact that I think he squandered and screwed up Amy's character potential that really gets me.
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)That's not at all what your first comment sounded like and really your responses seem more focused on how horrible it was that there were similarities, rather than being angry that Moffat didn't do a good job with it.
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Donna is a really huge sore spot for me and after having finally resigned myself to her never being brought back since RTD left as showrunner, seeing a character who was so much like her and who could have been a new favorite of mine screwed up so badly by Moffat's obsession with crazy plotlines and Timey Wimey really pissed me off. He's managed to screw up every character in his run as showrunner who I either already loved or thought I would really love.
(And this is from someone who adores the work he's done on Sherlock. Moffat + free reign just doesn't equal good things, I guess.)
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)For the record you're talking to someone who loves both characters with equal measure and who doesn't think Amy's storyline was that screwed up. You just sound like someone who wants to bash a character and is going to do it no matter what anyone says.
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I've never said there was anything wrong with anyone liking Amy or even with the fact that no one has agreed with me. They're well within their ,whatever they choose to do. Yet while I've never called anyone blind for not being bothered by what I consider serious similarities between the two, apparently I've got my reach goggles on for considering them serious at all.
And for the record, I've never bashed Amy. I've mentioned her in terms of pointing out similarities I see, in order to say what a disaster I think her storyline was, and expressed anger at what I consider crappy writing on Moffat's part. But I've never said an ill word about her. I've seen those kinds of threads on F!S. Those don't address the writing at all. Those are all about calling her horrible names and stuff like that. I haven't done any of that so please don't accuse me of character bashing. Writer bashing, I'll accept :)
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)This: absolute shitshow that was Amy Pond and Yea, I'm hatin' on Amy. So what. sound like character bashing EVEN if it's mixed in with and meant to be writer bashing.
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-27 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)Aside from the unfortunate choice of words that made it sound like character bashing you're also attacking a character/writer in a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with them. WTF was the point, really? Of course it wasn't going to end well.
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(Anonymous) 2013-01-28 03:09 am (UTC)(link)I think it's arguable whether Moffat actually "copied" anything. First of all, every similarity that you've mentioned is a long-standing trope; none of it originated with the character of Donna, who herself follows a rather traditional arc. Second of all, Amy's motivations are completely different from Donna's, as is the trajectory of her arc. Third, the two have rather divergent personalities.
Now, getting upset because Amy's potential was squandered is one thing. Complaining that Amy is some sort of thematic Donna clone is something else altogether, and rather ridiculous, at that.