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[ SECRET POST #2217 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2217 ⌋

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So much for "without sarcasm." "Re. Blog. Ing." was the exact option I mentioned, and sorry, it's a pain in the keister. Fan Mail...if you mean "Asks," then those aren't rebloggable, and question-answer-done isn't a discussion. *EDIT* Okay, Fan Mail's different, but it's just a PM system. One-on-One conversations are great; that's what I have e-mail for. Fandom conversations on social network sites should really include the fandom folks. So the only thing to do for that on tumble is "Re. Blog. Ing." Which gets messy, especially if you have more than two or three people involved in the conversation.

So, assuming everyone involved puts forth a lot of extra tracking effort, doesn't mind cluttering up their main page with repeat reblogs + whatever new paragraph they added to the discussion, and that every other person in the discussion also doesn't mind filling up their main page with the same reblogs, and that you watch your posts tag like a hawk, and watch EVERYONE ELSE'S like a hawk to see all the other threads that the conversational road is going down...you can have almost the same sort of conversation you can have on LJ.

That "proper amount of effort" is a hell of a lot, and calling it that is pretty condescending to folks who are maybe working multiple jobs and trying to have a social life, etc. I put a lot of effort into tumblr, and while I like it for the easy image sharing and the lols, it saps way more of my time than LJ ever did.

And I'm not asking for a "silver platter"--no need to be rude. I'm asking for...huh, surprisingly enough, what we've got here on dreamwidth or LJ. Or heck, numerous other sites that allow for discussions. It's not a new or exclusive thing. I'm not asking that of tumblr, it's a completely different animal, and until they allow nested comments (or if you've got someone like the DCWKA blog, where they also add in a Disqus option), it's never going to allow for extended conversations between multiple people who don't feel like devoting their entire span of free time to having those discussions. I'm saying that, well, tumblr being what it is, why not let fandom stride both formats just a little bit? Tumblr for art and quick stuff, LJ for fic and discussions and the like.

So really, you didn't answer my question at all, or rather you did and the answer is "no"--there is no easy way to have a discussion on tumblr. That doesn't mean you have to jump to tumblr's defense in all snarkery. I like tumblr. But it Has Its Problems. Everything does. And bringing that up isn't wrong.

Edited 2013-01-28 06:21 (UTC)

Then...I can't help someone who is determined to not get tumblr to work for them.

Are you serious? You sound so freaking pretentious here =/

Tumblr is not easy to use. Yes it's usable, but it is NOT user-friendly for fan discussions, period. You basically said as much in your first (amazingly rude) response to <user name="truxillogical>. It's completely understandable imo that someone would prefer to keep most of their fannish activity in a place that is more conducive to meta and discussions if that's what they prefer, not to mention one that doesn't take up so much <i>time</i>. The time thing is the main reason I don't spend much time over there. It's not what I'd rather be doing with the time that I have.

She's just defensive because her favorite creepy pony askblogs like Ask Princess Molestia are there.

lol I know you are trolling. If Otaku followed "Ask Princess Molestia" I'd shit a brick.

Nope I don't. Because stalker!nonny thinks that just because I like the fucking show, I must be apart of the creepy, shitty Brony fandom.

*rolls eyes*

Hmmm, wondering if it's CA right now.

HAI~!!!

lol you know how I feel about your, ah, particular approach to bronies and the "brony fandom" (whatever that's even supposed to mean). I'm not sure what you want me to even say here.

That I hate them all? Yep.

Fucking creepers, the lot of them. Even the "normal" ones.

Yeah, see, you go about insulting a couple of my really good friends? I'm not okay with that.

That said, I'm kind of trying to decide if you aren't just a troll, anyway.

Then they should not call them Bronies. Because good friends or not, they still associate and thus, inadvertently, support shitty, misogynistic, abelist, homophobic, rape apologist behavior.

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not. But those are my true feelings.

Get better friends or school them.

Edited 2013-01-29 18:47 (UTC)

Seriously, we have gone over this how many times? I am not going to agree with you on this idea that using a word automatically means they are associating with/supporting anything that, well, they're not. Can we not rehash this again?

My friends are awesome and I'll keep them, thanks. Keep your judgey nose out of my personal relationships, please.

Then stop talking to me. You know my feelings on Bronies and all associated with them.

Win-win, no?

And I'm not the only one who has the same sentiments re:bronies.

lol, talking to someone normally doesn't involve them getting really judgey on their friends and personal choices. Good to know you consider that par for the course.

I'm not the only one who shares my sentiments, either. This isn't a one-sided conversation, so there's no point in even saying that.

otakugal15 is a cunt.

And? Is that supposed to hurt my fee fees?

You sound like one of those rabid stans who demands "whyyyy don't you watch/read 1,000 plus hours of my precious before you judge it, because I won't allow different opinions."

If someone doesn't like Tumblr, they don't like it. You can't force them on it and you can't force them to love it. They don't need to justify jackshit to you. They hate the reblogging feature and the effort it takes to get what they want, they hate it. Period. Fucking grow up and deal with it.

Tumblr is not easy for everyone, nor does everyone care to put in this extra effort that you are demanding. They are not expecting silver platters- they do not use Tumblr. It is as simple as that. Accept it and move on.

""no"--there is no easy way to have a discussion on tumblr"

Hahaha. You didn't listen at all. Seriously I have seen and had more complex meta stuff go on over on tumblr than ever on lj. Because unlike lj, you have more chances of seeing someone who you might never follow, might never have heard of make a brilliant bit of commentary. I interact with MORE people on tumblr than I ever did on lj where a lot of people just didn't talk/comment to those they didn't know.

If you don't want to learn how to do new things, that's your fault, not Tumblr's.

Why does everyone have to like tumblr? Why is it so terrible for someone to say, "I don't think tumblr is a good platform for doing such-and-such?"

You all act like someone just shot your respective mothers every time anyone criticizes the site.

don't you get it?

if you don't like something, you're deliberately shitting on everyone who does. you've attacked their taste, their intelligence, their class...everything that makes them who they are has just been shit on by you all because you don't like something they like.

TRUFAX

Who here has shit on someone else for liking Tumblr? Or attacked something about them?

Seriously?

Honestly, do you read every comment here on Fandomsecrets? Never repeated what someone else has said?

What are you looking for here? I mean, meta is available when you look in the tags, sure you have to just let it go after a little while, but then the next thing that comes up. If someone reacts to your specific bit, then you'll receive a notification.

Look, I don't care if you join Tumblr, that's up to you. But unable to get 'meta' seems a weak justification. I've gotten more access to my fandom's meta there than anywhere else and not just 'so-and-so is so hot' but how my favourite characters are self-destructive or loyal and why that happens and deep analysis of episodes.

Tumblr enables people to talk to each other even though they have fastly divergent interests far more easily than LJ/DW where it's all very neatly sectioned out. People seem far more set apart here. Sure, you sacrifice commitment, but sometimes, perhaps like the person the secret maker's talking about I don't want that commitment and I feel pressured to return it. I don't feel that on Tumblr.

Personally, I think that's more a sticking point for you than meta (and possibly the interface issue itself? We're having problems there.) and that's fair.

tl;dr: yes, actually, you can have a discussion, just you have to treat it differently than you might on here.

seems a weak justification

Nobody owes anyone any justification for not liking a particular site in the first place.

"Look, I don't care if you join Tumblr, that's up to you."

I'm on tumblr. I love it for images, and for jokes and things like that. Not so much discussions.

Personally, I like the "set apartness"--I would say "organization" of lj/dw. I feel more pressure on Tumblr, and it kills me that there's no easy way to respond to a dialogue. If I post a picture I drew on Livejournal, people can comment on it, or ask a question, and I can respond right there in the thread, even just as simple as a "thank you." If someone comments on a picture I drew and posted on tumblr, I respond by reblogging the picture, and over and over. And here's the thing--I draw to start dialogue with people. That's what I love about fanart; the opportunity for dialogue. But re-re-re-reblogging my own art to continue a conversation looks stupid and clutters my main page.

I see meta on tumblr, but not as much discussion on it. A lot of people'll reblog, maybe one in 30 will add something to it. So...what, if I see someone posted a cool fan theory, I guess I can go open all 20,000 notes, wade through the likes, and check the reblogs to see if any of them had anything else to say on the subject...it's not ideal. It's possible, but it's not ideal.

And I don't read every comment on F!S. But I do read every comment on the secrets I was interested in. Sometimes, if a discussion looks good, I'll keep a tab up and refresh it later in the evening to see what else has been added to it. All you do is hit "expand" and the whole thread is open and ready to be read.

Edited 2013-01-28 23:30 (UTC)

AMEN. In a world of intuitive places to have long/detailed conversations, I don't get why I should feel bad for putting time into those instead of spending forever on something that is the very opposite of intuitive. Long chain of reblogged conversation, especially with multiple participants? It's really, really hard for me to keep track of who is saying what. That's as inhibiting to me as some aspects of LJ/DW culture/interface are to other people.

Tumblr is a good image blogging/reblogging platform, but it's just not working for me for the rest - and contrary to what some would say, that's not for lack of time effort. I experimented, it didn't work, and now I just use it very casually, but for anything where it matters to me to be able to have a meaty discussion, I'll post or look for stuff here or on LJ.

Edited 2013-01-28 17:47 (UTC)

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