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Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[making_excuses]

Seriously? Why?

Edit: Oh and, really I realize I must be sounding quite stupid here, but it never occurred to me that Women in the American army wouldn't be allowed to do the same as men as long as they meet the requirements.

Oh and pictures:







And the ones I changed: http://ungweb.no/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/ungweb/nytt/fylke/jenter-i-militaeret/387675-5-nno-NO/Jenter-i-militaeret.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/470/470083/4700830/jpg/active/960x.jpg

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[anonymouslyyours]

Yay! Piccies, thank you!

And as to why?

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[making_excuses]

No problem, that is females from the Norwegian Armed forces btw.

The last picture (that I embedded) is of our (former?) Defence Minister and some other woman who I could google to figure out whom is, but I'm too lazy

I guess that explains a lot, but I still don't get it. But there is a lot of things in the world that I don't get.

Now because I actually discussed this earlier today with a friend of mine: The Norwegian Military on Females a short history:

In 1977 the two first females taken up to "Sergeant school", in 1985 every woman who wanted to could apply to do Conscription* (and every female born after 1992, have to meet up at the Conscription thingamagid, where they figure out if they want you in the military or not) and in 2009 we got our first female General.

Females are actually encouraged to both get into the military and make a career of it, also a female will always be chosen over a man if they both qualify (or are equally fit for the job) the only part of the Norwegian military there is no females is in The Special Forces (I think, it's one of those super duper special parts of the military), and the reason is that no female have yet to pass the physical.

*I really can't find a better word for it, is it right? In Norway you "have" to serve at least 18 months in the military if you are fit for service. (not that everyone fit for service gets drafted, that would be too many people)

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

Women in the American military in specific areas of work (EOD I know off the top of my head, because that's what my husband does) have been deployed on the 'front lines' for quite some time, but this is generally because they are trained to work in fields that have standards (of PT, etc) that go above and beyond what whichever branch of the military requires for women as a whole. As it stands, women have lower physical fitness requirements then men in the United States military, which is kind of unfortunate in this day and age - if all truly want to be considered 'equal' in whatever line of work Marines/firefights/whatever, my personal opinion is that there should be ONE standard that everyone is held to regardless of X, Y and Z.

At which point, get 'em girls!

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[making_excuses]

I really don't get it, I thought the only idiotic thing you guys had in the military was the: "don't ask, don't tell" when it came to gays. Which you finally got rid of some time ago! And now Women can fight in the front lines! One could almost think you are a modern country!

For normal enlisted military folks here in Norway the women have a slightly lover physical fitness standard (their backpacks weigh a bit less and they have a bit more time on the running and so on), which is fine (because it is just for 14 days and it is the "welcome to the military" thing: or as it is known as hell week).

After that Women are treated just the same as men (except the getting chosen over a equally qualified man in whatever branch/promotion training/stuff they choose to apply to). This is the reason to why we still haven't got a woman in our Special Service - they aren't strong and fast enough to manage the tests, not that there is a lot of women applying.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

Don't ask/don't tell being repealed was just a formality for the most part in America, sort of like this announcement is. Case in point - when my longtime friend was deployed in Iraq four/five years ago one of the women in his unit too leave for a few weeks to marry her female partner in Europe/honeymoon and no one gave a damn. *shrug*

It makes a good sound bite on the news channels that this is 'finally' getting changed, but from what I know from women in the American armed forces they slightly appreciate their specific forms of service being acknowledged, but they've already been in the trenches for long enough that this doesn't really change their lives at all.

Is your basic training a heck of a lot shorter than ours is? Curious how this works.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[making_excuses]

There is a difference between a law being ignored and a law not existing though.

I don't think so. I was just talking about Hell Week, and I don't think we do things the same way: with you guys volunteering and us having "mandatory" military service. 12 months is how long basic training is here - for all branches of the Military.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

True - they're ahead of certain areas of the civilian world though. *shrug*

Ah - the length of basic training is different in the four branches of the armed forces, and then depending on your specific area of training tech schools are different length. (For example my husband is EOD and in his branch they had two months of basic training with everyone, another two to weed people out before tech school in a basic review of what they would be covering during their nine month tech school that is used by all branches of service - which if anyone rolls or taps/double taps on a test can be a great deal longer - and then continued training for the rest of his time in service because their field is so constantly changing to deal with technological advances/enemy tactics.)

Thank you for answering my questions, it is always nice to learn more about how the rest of the world works. :)

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[making_excuses]

Oh that is how you do it!

It is pretty similar here in Norway, but because only a year of military service is mandatory*, they go through 12 months of pretty basic training, I think 6 weeks or so is basic weapons and fitness before they place you somewhere: Kitchens, Cleaning, a brother of a friend of mine, worked in a military museum for most of his time and so on, or if you are one of those with an actual interest in the military you can apply to do more war like preparation training. After 12 months you can apply to "sergeant school" and so on after that, where you get more specialized and also get promoted.

I could have researched this a bit more, but that is pretty much the gist of it, no one I know (except my dad and grandfather, who have a silver medal for sharp shooting in the military, which he got during basic training) is in the military and the Military webpage is informative, but not really easy to find nice lists of what the fuck they are doing.

*No one can actually force you to do military service, we got civilian service for those that for religious/personal reasons can't go into the military. Then you get to work in a kinder garden and similar for a year instead. Also you can delay your service if you are studying.

And no problem, I enjoy telling you guys about my tiny nation:) And thanks right back at ya! I love learning about other countries too, it makes me easier to understand that Norway really isn't the norm, and I should not think that way.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

Definitely sounds like your promotion system is different than ours - but probably more Americans are career military than Norwegians? (Example: my husband is enlisted on a six year contract, but that's one of several time lengthen options people go in on, and depending on the field people rank up through training over time and most NCOs have been in for multiple enlistments/tours of duty.) Good for your dad and grandpa - if the standard's anything like it is here that isn't easy!

I suppose since they're not recruiting as much (except for women? That's what I got from what you said above.) they really don't have to puff up and promote things online so much lol. ;)

Actually, I was only really aware of Israel doing something similar as far as drafting (but different, since they draft both men and women due to them being located in a location of constant conflict) to what you guys do, so this is really very enlightening. :)

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[making_excuses]

I am pretty sure it is, but probably more similar too, "sergeant school" is basically what you do when you volunteer for military service in Norway. And then you go up in rank depending on service, just like you guys.

Both my dad and grandpa had to do it though. Both of them used to enter ahRP shooting contest.

Everyone gets a letter (it's a two part thing, the first refistration is online, the ones who make the cut go on to step 2) the year they turn 18 (which have been going on for years, women have to show up if they are born after 1992), and if the get to step 2 they meet up for a physical/medical and then if they make the cut they are drafted for a year of service in the military (marines, army and so on)

There are quite a few countries doing the same actually: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription