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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-01-28 06:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #2218 ]


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ill_omened: (Default)

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[personal profile] ill_omened 2013-01-29 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'm understanding you perfectly fine.

Do you not understand why some (hell, a lot) of men wouldn't have an issue with 'you pretty much have to serve, women on the otherhand can take it or leave it'? Really?

And no, that's not my point. Your military has substantially less experience, less influence, and is less central to the realpolitik your country engages in then ours. I'm making no moral judgement there, but the comparison would be something like 'well in Vardø the police function this way, why don't they in the Met or NYPD?'.
making_excuses: (Default)

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[personal profile] making_excuses 2013-01-29 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously? There is no debate about, no one I have ever talked to about this (in Norway) have ever seen an issue with Men having to serve and Women don't (not even the Neo Nazi I went to High School with), nor have I ever met a man (again in Norway) who have had a problem with female military personnel. So no, there is no issue with it, there isn't anyone complaining about it, there is on the other hand talks about maybe making it mandatory for females too, but not because it is "unfair" for the men, but because it is insulting to the women.

We think of it like any other job where the genders aren't equal, men have a right to a job over a equally qualified woman in a female oriented job and women in jobs where men are the majority.

I wasn't really serious in my last comment, but if that is how you want to play it: The Norwegian Military, even if it is small and isn't as big as The British or American military, still are a well trained and organized Military force, with modern equipment and though smaller than quite a few other military forces, no less equipped to handle any combat situations. And also we got the economical power to replace whatever equipment we need to (the latest was new fighter jets if I remember correctly)

And Norway have or had military personnel fighting alongside yours in Iraq and in Afghanistan and during the war in Kosovo in the 90s and so on. (and lost people, so even if we might focus on the peace keeping forces we do send people into active war zones)

So no we might not be as powerful as your military (but why do we need a big military, we got NATO for that), but we do influence politics, and economics, and probably the most relevant to this discussion: Peace Making
ill_omened: (Default)

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[personal profile] ill_omened 2013-01-29 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps your people should have an issue with it. Forcing men to conscript, but not women is pretty sexist yo. Whether or not your people are okay with it doesn't overcome that fact.

And no, the sheer disparity in the realities of our forces is entirely relevant. It to a large part explains why our countries are so much more reticent to change things, and go tinkering about, and why there is less of a political will to do so.