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these are all man problems and/or problems of self control. the military is founded on discipline so these people probably shouldn't be in it if they can't behave.

i've talked plenty before about the military and career opportunities, namely the fact that few soldiers ever see active combat. it's still a big step to open that opportunity up to women.

also, department of defense reports that less than 2% of discharged women were discharged for a pregnancy. doesn't seem so high to me.

Discharged is not equal to coming home from a tour of duty early or being on leave and unable to serve your country in your original intended capacity. (I've never actually heard of anyone getting kicked out for getting pregnant, just reassigned.)

If it's *only* a man's self control problem... Are you saying there's not women out there five months at sea who get horny too? Because it takes two to tango on that one, and the statistics just aren't there to support every woman in the service who gets pregnant would do so involuntarily. (And if such a travesty occurs, there are options open to women to deal with the consequences.)

i think your opinion boils down to the fact that you don't trust women overseas to be respectable members of the military, which is your problem, not mine as a cadet, not any other "woman" by any definition of the word (i say that because i am female-bodied) but not necessarily female).

did you not read the part where i said and/or problems of self-control? it applies to women too. but it boils down to not behaving in a manner consistent with military values.

you also just completely erased the disgusting amount of rape that happens in the military so i am 100% done talking to you

I'm erasing *nothing* - rape is horrific and wrong no matter where it happens or who it happens to, and it is also punished more in the military than it is in the civilian world. (Also, does anyone honestly think men have never been forced into situations they didn't want to be in while in a warzone just because no one wants to talk about it?) Saying all people who see other people in a 'noticing them' fashion automatically leads to these terrible things happening is just unrealistic though. (All men who see women in bars do not drag them back to their caves by their hair and rape them just because they've whipped out their cheesiest pick-up lines either in case you weren't aware.)

The Air Force specifically has majorly cracked down the last several years on the environment everyone is working in - nothing that portrays women in an unfavorable light is allowed at all, be it ripping down all Hooters posters people have had hanging on their walls to punishment for certain type of language people used.

Additionally they've massively cracked down/cleaned house (and sending to jail for decades, which is WAY more severe then current punishments in the civilian world) MTIs/anyone who forces someone into a sexual position they did not want to be in. Sleeping with someone elses spouse? Yeah, adultery is still a crime they toss you into jail and pretty much throw away the key on here. Leavenworth prison isn't some sort of joke, either. (My husband's married/father of a few children MTI from when he was in basic - who was an ass on the surface and even more an obvious one once all the charges of sexually harassing female cadets in exchange for them having an 'easier' time in basic came to light - who's been striped of all rank and locked up for at least the next 40 years is a drop in the bucket of how strictly the rules are followed/enforced in the armed forces.)

As for your other point - you don't know me at all and that's a fairly insulting thing to imply. Two of my husband's NCOs are women in their very small shop (12 people total but they're never all there at the same time due to rotating deployments), and they are two of the most professional people there. Additionally, the training base we live on that EVERYONE coming into the Air Force goes through at some point is commanded by a (recently) two star female general who is doing a *great* job leading this base.

As for self control? Humans by definition are fallible and not 100% perfect 100% of the time, whether it's cheating on a diet by grabbing a carton of Ben & Jerry's or just plain being lonely and spending 'adult' time with someone else and *everyone* is equally likely to fall off the wagon from time to time. Does this make them bad people? No. Does it mean that they can aim higher? Definitely.

What the fuck is this comment? Shut the fuck up. Just because you ~*~know some people in the military~*~ doesn't mean you have any degree of experience in their situations, but you're speaking as if you do, and to people who apparently do have that experience, no less. Men don't need you to champion their precious fee-fees like anybody remotely gives a shit, which I think is why people are so disgusted with your ignorant comments.

First of all, you are as wrong as any person could ever be wrong about anything when it comes to how rape is treated in the military. Rape is far more common in a military environment than it is in a civilian one, and it is rarely punished. They can be strict about it when they want, but that's the problem - it's only when they want, and it's not nearly often enough.

Then you went on to be like, "oh, why don't people think of /the menz/?? Why don't people think men are never forced into bad situations??" What the fuck are you doing right now? Nobody in this thread said that, or even implied it. You're seriously trying to make this all about men and their feelings when this thread is about WOMEN. Just stop.

Also, as a former member of the AF? Your view of them is cute, but unrealistic. Objectification is rampant everywhere, the AF included, and there's no "crackdown" happening there, nor in any other branch. That's our society for you.

Women are distracting to men in life-or-death situations because men are assholes. That doesn't mean women shouldn't be allowed to serve, it means men need to grow the fuck up and evolve a little.

Women who meet military requirements are just as capable as any man of getting the job done. If men don't like that (and let's face it, that's the real problem here) then they can shove it up their asses, because this stupid hurdle is finally gone for women. That's something you should be celebrating, not trying to imply is a bad thing because men can't control their dicks.

NA - I don't know about the AF but the crackdown she's speaking about is definitely happening in the army. And rape investigations and punishments are a lot closer to what she described, too. There ARE times when they go unpunished but it's pretty rare the last several years because rape reporting is no longer restricted to the chain of command. Of reported cases where the victim chose to pursue the course that allows for prosecution (there is a COA that the victim may choose that does not allow for prosecution), 99% are investigated outside the chain of command with 96% of investigations leading to UCMJ action. It's in the closed COA (cannot pursue prosecution) where the coverups are still happening, likely because of widespread mentality that there is no point in following the investigation through to the end because it cannot lead to UCMJ action.

To say they've "massively" cracked down, though? No. Not even close. That's not to say I don't appreciate what they've done, but give me a break. It's still shit.

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