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⌈ Secret Post #2219 ⌋

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[Oofuri]

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[Adventure Time]

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[How I Met Your Mother]

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[Arthur Conan Doyle]

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[Sherlock]

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[Richard Armitage]

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[Bioshock 1&2, Heavy Rain, Silent Hill 1&3, Alias, Taken 1&2, Once Upon A Time]

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[Lizzie Bennet Diaries]

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[Steam Powered Giraffe]

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

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[Ghost World/Safety Not Guaranteed]

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[Patalliro]

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[Bones]

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[Hetalia]

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Couple topics yesterday, and more general feel of the approach to this changing has gotten me curious of the general opinion here.

Because whilst there certainly is a point at which you can consider any given group toxic and something to distance yourself from, it does seem the line is being drawn awfully quick and strikingly recently.

I guess My Little Pony would be an excellent example of this, but would rather it didn't become the focal point again.

I recognize all these words, but I have no idea what you're asking. But I don't know anything about MLP or its happenings, so maybe that contributes to my "Bwuh?"ness.

I have no idea what precisely you're talking about. Which excesses? Are you talking about actual grossness or people being excessively devoted?

How do you define complicity? Am I condoning brony sexism by liking MLP enough to discuss it?

Sorry for the lack of clarity.

Lets go with the My Little Pony example. I've seen people here argue that by using the term Brony you are choosing to support the most gross fans, and are partially responsible for rape apologism.

And that the 'average fans' aren't doing enough to distance themselves or shout down the really terrible minority.

Eh. That's like saying calling yourself a Trekkie is making you complicit with weird 7 of 9 porn.

The fact is the term Brony has gotten beyond the fandom. An adult who admits to liking the show is going to be called that regardless of self-affiliation.

Who the hell is talking about "rape apologism" in the context of MLP? I must be out of the loop.

https://www.change.org/petitions/equestria-la-ban-max-veers-vanya-holt-admitted-rapist

This douchenozzle.

I'm sorry, but that's like saying everyone who is a fan of A Catcher in the Rye without explicitly decrying murder is an apologist for Mark Chapman because he was a big fan of the book before he killed John Lennon.

that's not a very good comparison o___o

Yeah. I don't see a lot of people blaming Lennon for Chapman shooting him.

Well, obviously the situations aren't identical, but how is the difference relevant to fandom? The girl, unlike Chapman, was victim-blamed, therefore fandom should be held responsible for it because....? Your logic doesn't make sense.

Frankly, I don't think it reflects on the fandom as a whole, but, an organized group of MLP fans defended their fandom buddy by blaming the victim.

There was no organized group of CitR fans who blamed Lennon for his shooting.

Only Mark Chapman is a reprehensible human being in the case of the Lennon shooting. Max Veers and all his victim-blaming friends are reprehensible human beings in that case.

The analogy doesn't work at the most basic of levels.

Oh please, I'm sure there were plenty of people who cheered that Lennon died. I'm sure plenty of people who were fans of A Catcher in the Rye cheered that a "phony" died. It just wasn't organized like it is today. And what's more, the other bronies other than his scumbag friends have absolutely jack-shit to do with what happened.

So, no, blaming bronies in general for what one asshole who just so happened to be a brony did is bullshit.

Did you even read the story?

It's not just one person.

It's a whole group of people who made it their goal to harass this girl.

Your analogy is rotten to the core.

Nope.

I think this is more an effect of the immediacy of internet communication and the way that community works on there. What I'm saying is that it's really, really easy, nowadays, to get really fucking annoyed at bronies on the Internet, and to be exposed to terrible shit that people who are bronies do. And so it's really easy to get really fucking pissed off and start yelling about how all bronies should fuck off

(which is a sentiment that I've expressed myself, and, I mean, it is basically true that most bronies are at best annoying)

No it's not "really easy". It's not "really easy" to start yelling about how ALL members of any group whose main purpose is not to hurt people should "fuck off". What if an adult male just likes MLP and likes talking about it with people like him? Should he "fuck off" even if he doesn't do terrible shit, just because some people who are adult male fans of MLP do terrible shit?

It is NEVER okay to say "All members of group X suck because some members of group X suck". What IS okay is to say "some members of group X suck" and, if the situation makes it feasible, call for other members of group X to not tolerate the ones who suck.

Also, you have no right to say what's "basically true". For one, people who annoy you may not annoy someone else. For another, I highly, highly, highly doubt you know every brony in existence, or that you have been able to take a representative random sample.

The part of fandom I that I respect and like is the part that doesn't go along with it when people try to self-appoint as moral guardians and exert pressure. Other people are not asking these opinionated busybodies for approval. They're not going to stop kinking on problematic things. Nor should they.

If fans want to act on stuff that legitimately falls in the category of "keeping our space nice," confronting behaviors that degrade the community would be awesome. For instance, there are people who go from rp to rp and have a terrible reputation for being pushy, manipulative, and immature about being turned down. The community could talk to these people, name (user)names if they don't change, and make a place for profiles of what known sketchy behavior looks like, so that players who haven't encountered this can think "this person's making me uncomfortable, but maybe I'm overreacting?" and consult it for a reality-check. We need to make a culture where people know how to call out bad behavior without being hysterical and over-dramatic about it, and know that fandom will have their back when they have a reasonable complaint.

But ... my idea of a reasonable complaint is something that is directly affecting you. What kind of media other people enjoy, what kind of kinks they have, and whether their fanfic is to your taste is all their business. They have as much of a right not to be hassled for it as you do.

Some fandoms have aggressive bullying, an overdeveloped ownership culture, and a tendency to make up arbitrary rules from thin air. Some are prey to a certain kind of magical thinking - "if we all just don't write rape fics or only write them in a certain way, there will be fewer rapes!" IMO, this stuff needs to be addressed. The last thing we need is a longer list of traits that decent people "should" hate and dogpile.

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