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⌈ Secret Post #2222 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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16. [SPOILERS for Celeste & Jesse Forever]



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17. [SPOILERS for Superior Spider-Man, Scarlet Spider]



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19. [WARNING for incest]

[A Tale of Two Sisters]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The validity of the tropes. My personal opinion is that people--particularly writers--get very sensitive over this site because they believe the nature of categorizing ideas and themes common to fiction is an insult. I feel like a lot of people can't help but inflate "cliche" with "trope, in spite of their better judgment. Fiction is full of patterns, it's undeniable. The existence of them does not mean you do not have an original idea anyway, or that your themes are too simple and can be easily packaged up. But a lot of people think so anyway.

I think tropes have some validity, but I don't think they have anywhere near as much as tropers tend to give them. Tropers tend to regard tropes almost as objectively-existing things, and their descriptions almost as scientific taxonomy. And it's just not the case - literature is very often more complex than they make it out to be, and tropes are in a lot of cases little more than loose and highly adaptable patterns. And that's not the way they make it out.

I mean, come on, how many contortions do people on TV Tropes go through to make as many things as possible fit into the Five Man Band model, even when it's patently absurd? And even for things that do somewhat fit into that mold, there are plenty of situations where the reality of the work is more complex than the model. And the same is true for many other tropes, I think.

It's not that tropes are negative; it's that they're too simplistic. The trouble is precisely that tropers tend to regard tropes as though they do allow themes to be easily packaged up, when that's not the case at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the bigger problem stems from the fact that tropes on their own are just pieces, and what makes a story good or bad isn't necessarily what pieces it uses, but how the pieces fit together. The more fanatical corners of the userbase become too fixated on the tropes and completely ignore how they're used and why. It's like looking at a jigsaw puzzle as a box of pieces versus looking at it as a completed picture.

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This. I think people miss the front page where it states "tropes are tools." Every story has tropes, just like every building has walls. They're what hold everything up. What you do with those tropes (or walls) is what makes the story (or building) interesting.

Personally, I have a lot of fun with tropes because I see them as sort of an analytical toy, and they succinctly explain sometimes complex phenomena. It's also a pretty good gauge of overused or problematic tropes - if it's something my writing falls into, I can catch it and change it without having to be a literary analyst.

I don't feel that it was ever meant to be anything more than a way to label patterns, so I don't treat it as anything more than that. I find it baffling that some people take it as gospel - interpretations of fiction vary wildly all the time, why should TVTropes be any different?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, come on, how many contortions do people on TV Tropes go through to make as many things as possible fit into the Five Man Band model, even when it's patently absurd?

This is fair, but it's something acknowledged by the...senior? (not sure what to call them) tropers. Since it comes down to personal interpretation and whatnot, there's not usually a factual and separate metric for judgment. So it gets misused a lot.

I think there's a bad precedent for tropers feeling like the worth of their fandoms and favorite series or games or whatever is determined by how many tropes they can think up for it. (Which is funny, since a lot of authors feel like their worth is determined by how many *don't*.)

But at least it's acknowledged by the frequent editors. It's just hard to control.