[ SECRET POST #2225 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2225 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - take it to comments ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

OP
They did the eye-shine correctly in the Hobbit with Gollum and that was pretty dang dramatic and scary.

[forgottenjester]

Well, for me the two different eye-shines create a different kind of fear for me. Your correct eye-shines make me think of insanity, which works for Gollum. You get a similar effect when you have people's glasses obscure their eyes.

The improper eye-shines make me think of a powerful predator. Particularly it makes me think of one that is hunting me.

So both induce fear but they're different kinds of fear.

[(Anonymous)]

And see, to me the improper shine just makes me go "wow, that animal's irises are glowing /sarcasm." But that could just be because I'm used to my own cats stalking me down the hall at night (one of whom is in the photo in the secret!) so my brain defaults to that instead of the improper one when I think of 'big scary predator'.

[forgottenjester]

I dunno, I've had cats and been around cats a lot. I think it's just because I disconnect such things from reality. Also, I generally come across the incorrect shine when dealing with supernatural creatures. So I think, "Yeah, its eyes are glowing. Bad sign."

You have a very cute kitty!

[(Anonymous)]

OP
See, I'm fine if the irises glowing is on a supernatural or fantasy creature. They're not real creatures, who's to say that's not how they roll? It's when it's done on a real creature that I get twitchy. :)

[forgottenjester]

Hmmm, I don't know if I've come across it on a real creature in tv shows/movies.

I probably have and haven't noticed or I thought they were supernatural because of it.

[(Anonymous)]

OP
I've seen it mostly in TV shows and movies, though it does like to pop up almost any time there are animals in a completely computer-animated movie.

[forgottenjester]

Aw, shoot, I'm sorry. Maybe you could write a letter to the shows? I don't think it would do much but you never know.

[(Anonymous)]

OP
Honestly they're not shows I particularly like anyway, so I'm not too inclined to write to them XD.

[forgottenjester]

Ahaha, okay. Well, at least you can complain about it with us. At least, you can always complain to me. I understand the urge to do so sometimes for seemingly small things.

[(Anonymous)]

OP
Oh, and thanks! Sadly she has since passed, but she was a good kitty.

[(Anonymous)]

If you know what a tapetum lucidum is you should damn well know humans don't have one which a) golum probably shouldn't have one as the hobbits do not, unless the implication is he's ~evolved~ new night eyes (which is stupid considering your demand for realism since eyes. don't. do. that. and b) they only show when hit by direct light. DIRECT LIGHT

It's entirely possible for animals to not be showing the reflections in shows without a light of some kind pointed at the animals. The more light - the more reflection i.e demonic cats from hell when their eyes catch the flash.

[(Anonymous)]

OP
I do know that humans don't have a tapetum, I never said they did. I see Gollum as a fantasy creature who's been so warped by the Ring over the years that who knows, maybe it gave him new eyes are well. Sauron got his big flaming eyeball, after all.
How do you know hobbits don't have a tapetum? I haven't read that much into the details of the LotR so I might have missed something that said specifically they do or do not?

And yes, I know you only see the reflection at certain angles, and I know that at other angles the cornea catches the light and it can appear that the iris is glowing. I am not referring to those instances, I was referring to instances where there should have been a tapetum reflection, but the mysterious glowing iris was shown instead. I should have made that distinction in my secret but I felt like being more concise this time than I usually am.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
As the hobbits eyes never reflect eyeshine in the movies that I had noticed, one would assume Gollum's eyes would not reflect either. It's entirely possible during his transformation his eyes changed as well because!magic (unlikely since even Tolkien's magic has rules and it was most likely SFX reasons), but you're the one arguing for realism in movies.

If you're going to be okay with his eyes making leaps of anatomy you might as well accept that other movies/creatures eyes are going to do the same thing depending on the SFX needs of the moment and not the actual likelihood of the environment and animal in questions.

Unless it's a documentary someone has doctored with SFX to make 'cool', then feel free to get your rant on.

[(Anonymous)]

OP
Understood about the hobbit eyes in the movies, I can accept that. I'll still stick with my theory that the Ring did funky things with Gollum (his anatomy in general has me doing the 'confused puppy headtilt'; if I tell myself it's magic it stops bothering me so much).

I recognize that SFX artists are going to go with what's popular and cool and who cares about if it's right or not. Doesn't mean I have to like it, especially when there are good, correct examples out there.

[(Anonymous)]

But hobbits aren't humans...? We know they have at least superficial physiological differences. (And Gollum was once a hobbit-like creature, not precisely a hobbit, iirc.) So why does the absence of tapetum in humans indicate anything about its absence in hobbits, never mind the application of ~magic and freaky 'warped by the One Ring' stuff? That's not really a matter of realism or not.

[(Anonymous)]

He WAS a Hobbit. He was a stoor.

hobbit spoilers!

[(Anonymous)]

Now you've gone and spoiled them anon, why didn't you warn with spoilers?!


(I'm joking god am I joking)