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⌈ Secret Post #2229 ⌋

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[sort of porny, maybe? Jennifer's Body]

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17. [SPOILERS for American Horror Story]

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18. [SPOILERS for My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic]

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19. [SPOILERS for The Office]

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20. [WARNING for rape, abuse]

[OP marked this as "no warnings" but there's bound to be triggery discussion in the thread]

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I can't speak for Star Trek fandom, but in Avengers fandom it's a bit of a...mixed bag.

There is some slutshaming in Avengers fandom overall, but I have rarely seen fics that slutshame Tony. Most usually use his past promiscuity as one expression or another of a Deep Seated Issue, and in turn his sex life is deeply correlated with resolving certain Issues i.e. he sleeps around because he fears committed intimacy, so once he gets over that fear, he doesn't sleep around. And yeah, I can definitely see how that can be sort of loosely interpreted as slutshaming*. But I rarely see direct slutshaming of Tony.

* = a lot of modern slutshaming methods do tend to imply that women only sleep around because they have Issues or Past Trauma, because they can't enjoy sex without commitment/emotion even though men can; while I don't think this really applies to the way Tony's sex life is usually presented in fic, I can see how a lot of people would take it that way

Huuuuuhh. That sucks. Makes me a bit sad, really, that it's so prevalent. I'm glad I've gotten lucky with fic. Then again, I haven't really been into Avengers lately.

Well, thanks for letting me know. Super weird they would do that. I don't really see a need for it.

As far as I know, what slutshaming there was has gone down quite a bit. There's still a lot of slutshaming *wank*, but actual slutshaming seems to be steadily, if slowly, dwindling away.

Ah, well, at least there's good news at the end of it.

OT question from an anon...sorry to burst into the convo but your comment made me think of something.

I have a character-male who has deep seated issues and sleeps around (often with women who treat him terribly and he allows himself to be kicked around by them which is a confounding issue)

Would that be considered Unfortunate Implications or 'slutshaming'. I'm a bit worried because even thou he's treated sympathetically , his habits are treated as detrimental to him and 'not a good idea'.

Sorry for interrupting you.

You're not "interrupting" anon. :)

Anyway, um, like I said, a lot of this is just up to individual readers' interpretation. Personally I've never really seen implying Tony's promiscuity is related to his Issues as slutshaming, because in the majority of fics it usually emphasizes that it wasn't the sex itself but the stuff surrounding his rampant, casual sex that was a symptom of said issue. (i.e. the sex was good in one-night stands, but the avoiding people and making his assistant deal with them the morning after was bad; or the sex would be good, but he's so intoxicated while trying to have sex that something goes wrong, they abuse him or they're spies or...you get the idea).

I think the issue you presented would mostly be fine. So long as, when you point to the sleeping around being a symptom of your character's problem, you take the emphasis off the sex on put it on the maltreatment (i.e. the sex is okay, but never learning from his bad experiences and letting women mistreat him is not) then you should be fine.

Hope that helps! :)

This is the best thread today.

Thanks. I think the biggest problem with the sex is that he's also a minor when it (thye sleeping around) happens ....sooo.

Should have mentioned that. I mean if you're an adult and have casual sex but if you're a minor...better to wait until you're an adult really.

Eh, for the minor thing even a lot of THAT is interpreted very differently. For one thing, the age of consent and laws of consent can vary widely by country or even by state/region, and even after discounting for law there's a massive aspect of cultural norms (i.e. where I grew up, having sex at ~15 was often socially acceptable, even though the age of consent in my state is technically 18, though some of our communities were more conservative about it while others were even more lax). So if your character is 16 or 17, a lot of people would consider that practically an adult having sex, while others will still see them a as a child. (Amazingly few people seem to think of the late teens as a gray area between adult and child when it comes to social, psychological, and moral acceptability of their sexual activity, even here in fandom) And believe it or not, implying your character's promiscuity is only because of a boy's youth can lead to its own set of social justice complexities/unfortunate implications (though it won't be slutshaming on its own, it can be interpreted as feeding into the overall stereotypical sexual narrative that fuels slutshaming).

If your character being a minor is a part of the psychology behind his sexual choices and/or the plot, I'd personally recommend putting the emphasis on his individual immaturity (there are amazingly mature teenagers and amazingly immature adults, so it makes his bad sexual choices more connected to him as a person rather than him as a "child"). That said, I don't know what your fic is about or who your characters are (and while I can take a few guesses I honestly don't even know what fandom it's for) so the judgement is ultimately up to you, what you think is appropriate, and what your fandom is like/how it reacts to this sort of thing. (Some fandoms get incredibly up in arms about social justice, while others barely care).

Actually he's for original fiction.

I was just worried about my work being construed as offensive. Those are some good points, thank you. The problems start when he's 14 to the age of 17 and are apart of a pattern of risky behaviors.

Something happened in his past that was traumatic and his family is kind of dysfunctional. The way I see it the message is supposed to be "he's dealing with his problems in the wrong way. Casual sex isn't something you use to try and fix your emotional problems"

Ah, well, good luck then! Keep your emphasis on that last line and you should be good. :D

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