[ SECRET POST #2230 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2230 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Early because blizzard, not quite sure if power will last.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I claim the show ended after season 5. Don't get me wrong, I still watch, but, I watch more in passing, and think of it as fanfiction.

Everything post season five is like Charmed season 8. It just contradicts everything that has been set as canon. At least in my humble opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. Now, admittedly I didn't like the ending of season 5, but it was believable enough that I didn't feel the show had gone of the rails with it's writing.

So...the show ended with season five, and I acknowledge none of the later seasons in my canon.

[darkmanifest]

At least Supernatural has a "get out of bad canon free" meta card in that fanfiction of the Gospel of Winchester is canon. Pretty easy to say that everything that wasn't written by Chuck - everything after S5 - is made up by fans.

[insanenoodlyguy]

It worked for people who liked the Gargoyles cartoon, it can work here by god!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't watch the show anymore, so I'm going on secondhand info. Did their family history get rewritten again to make them look even more special? Their dad used to be a normal guy who got into the business after his wife died and if I remember correctly, in one of those time travel episodes John's father was mentioned to be alive when John was an adult. Was it really necessary to give him his own daddy issues for extra angst?

[tabaqui]

Uh, no? No re-writing, just new info.

[(Anonymous)]

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Well. Sorta. In 4.03, young!John says that he's a mechanic from a family of mechanics and also is asked by a friend to tell his dad "hello". It sets up a strong dichotomy of John coming from Normal McNormalville to contast with Mary's own completely unexpected hunter background.

So the recent episode revealing that Henry Winchester was a member of a super secret organization did contradict what was stated earlier. It wasn't even just revealing new information. The reveal that Mary was a hunter fit that bill, IMO, but the Henry thing is directly counter to existing canon. You can sort of twist things by suggesting that the father John was referring to in 4.03 was a stepfather or that John was adopted after Henry's disappearance and was referring to his adoptive father, but that's not stated to be true. There's never been any indication at any other point in canon that John's biological father went missing when he was eight and he was raised by someone else. It's just a messy twist.

I don't mind it that much because I think it introduces an interesting new aspect of canon to explore but I'd have much preferred that Henry was their great-grandfather or a long lost uncle or something, especially since the whole thing seems to be bloodline derivative. It just feels a bit unnecessary to not only have the Campbells (aka the "we were hunting vampires on the Mayflower") line as hunter royalty as one side of the family tree and now this uber awesome wizard line (that no one had ever heard of before) as the other. It's overkill. Kinda cool overkill, but they did not handle it in the best possible way.

[tabaqui]

It doesn't bother me. Obviously, John was young when his dad vanished, and just as obviously, his mom moved them and she remarried. That throw-away line in 4.03 gave us some backstory, but like *all* backstory on Show, it was incomplete.

Since Sam and Dean are already 'special', as it were, because of their bloodlines and their ancestors, this fits, to me, since they need the combination of books and spells and learning to go with the physicality and bravery of hunters. Both sides of the family tree have to exist in order to make things *work*. The Men of Letters don't go out hunting - that would endanger too much knowledge - but they can pass on their information to hunters.

Hunters who *need* info, but can't spend weeks and months researching and testing things, as they're trying to stop monsters from killing people.

So both 'professions' are necessary and both have been around forever and now they're sort of...distilled and melded into the boys.

Just like Chuck talking about the boys taking time off to see a concert, to look at the stars, to go to a ball game.... This is just more of the story we *don't* know. Works fine for me. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Well, what if in 4.03 young!John did have his father? But the second Henry went into the future, everything was changed, thus the ''changes'' to the backstory.

WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CONSIDERS THIS THEORY? THAT'S HOW TIME TRAVEL WORKS! You change one thing, you change all the things!

[(Anonymous)]

agreed