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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-02-12 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #2233 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2233 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-02-13 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe depends on where you go. Check out ffr or ontd_p. I'm pretty sure they collectively orgasm every time they find the tiniest excuse to dogpile someone, and call them racist fucks, and ban them for politely trying to engage in an argument. I'm not exaggerating at all. I fit a couple "minority" groups myself, and I'm an advocate - but there's being an advocate and there's being a SJW. It's one thing to say something and speak up when someone does say something shitty (and paying close attention to whether or not it was intentional or a stupid thing they didn't think about) while not discounting them as a person, and there's what SJW do.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-13 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
^THIS

(Anonymous) 2013-02-13 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Okay, I will give you that FFR is full of power-tripping wankers (and I maintain that the one mod was that one anon on the ffr anon community that talked about how it's okay to abuse his SO because he has an MI, buuuut I mean I have no proof of that, it's just that the writing and argument style, with the 'all about me' and the guilt-tripping and such seem so very similar...).

But that's just one community. A sizeable one, okay, but they're like this one small extreme end. And at least half the time the people they get mad at are genuinely being jerks.
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[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-02-13 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
In my experience, it was the SJWs turning into jerks first. Someone makes a remark which is racist or sexist or whatever, but instead of first saying "hey, that word/phrase/thing is racist/sexist/whatever" (because, you know, fandom is an extremely diverse place with people from a broad spectrum of places and times, and as such not everyone will have the background to understand these right off the bat or know that what they said has such negative connotations), they often just say "You're a racist/sexist/bigot for saying that!" And if they just try to explain they genuinely did not know it was, or ask for an explanation or how/why that remark they made is racist/sexist/otherwise-unfortunate, the usual reaction is something along the lines of "It's not my job to help you!".

Usually somewhere in there, the original person who made that unfortunate remark turns into a jerk because, well, everyone else was being a jerk to them. Maybe not the smartest or best thing to do, but honestly I can't really blame them for reacting that way when they're in that position.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-13 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
... this doesn't seem to have much to do with the comment you're replying to?
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[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-02-13 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Mostly replying to that last line.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-13 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
while not discounting them as a person

That's a huge thing. It really doesn't matter in any given moment whether someone is racist/(cis)sexist/homophobic. What matters is that they maybe said something racist/(cis)sexist/homophobic, and debating their problematic opinion rather than (possibly problematic but really well and truly irrelevant) their personality is a pretty good way to distinguish between someone who's only trying to bully and someone who's bringing forth a genuine complaint.