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JKR has stated that his personality is pretty much the exact opposite of a "born whiner" - his flaws are that he gives in too easily and lets people do things even though he knows he shouldn't because he wants people to like him.

I don't think those two things necessarily conflict. At least, the idea that Remus is a negative person and a pessimist doesn't conflict with the latter idea, because the worry about whether people like him is part of that general pessimism. And I think there's also an element of... "Well, things are probably going to go wrong anyway, and I probably can't do anything about it, so I might as well go along with it" to his character, which is again a part of the pessimism.

And I don't think that your reading of the nature of their relationship is necessarily right - at least, that's not the way it's presented in the text. It's not as though Remus was totally not into it and fucking hated the idea - his objections were much more just the kind of pessimistic, anxious, introspective, negative thing that's, again, a part of his character. "I can't let myself be happy, doing this thing wouldn't make anyone happy, and anyway it'll all go wrong anyway and everyone will be terrible emotionally devastated and it'll all be my fault." I mean, at least as presented in the book, getting together with Tonks was always something that Remus wanted in himself but had other reasons (connected to his personality) for denying. If you want to say that his real reasons were something other and that was all just a cover, I guess there's nothing I can say against that.

I agree that the relationship suffered a lot from JKR's writing. I think it's still not as bad as you're making it out to be.

I mean, at least as presented in the book, getting together with Tonks was always something that Remus wanted in himself but had other reasons (connected to his personality) for denying.

Quote? Page number? I don't recall this ever being present. You're free to assume that this is true (as I'm sure most fans of canon!Remus/Tonks do), but seeing as it's only an interpretation and not something directly implied in text, your argument is no more valid than mine.

And I don't know why you're defending this on a thread titled POPULAR SHIPS YOU HATE. Thanks for reminding me that I can't hate a canon het ship, even on a thread about hating ships!

Hahaha yes I am the head detective of the het police and I am here to run you in for failing to properly ship canon het

Seriously, though, of course you can hate whatever ship you want. But as I saw it, this was a conversation about an interpretation of a character and the nature of the relationship more than anything else. I didn't mean to say that you can't not ship anyone, and I'm sorry if it came off that way; I was just posting some thoughts about Remus and his relationship with Tonks because it seemed interesting. To put it another way, maybe, there's nothing wrong with hating any ship at all; but to me this conversation was more about the particular nature of the ship in question rather than whether or not one ought to hate it.

It comes off more that because I dislike it, I obviously haven't thought about all the possibilities regarding it. I'm sick of not being able to say "I don't like Remus/Tonks" without being told that I haven't thought about it or that I'm just an embittered slash fan. I have thought about it, and talked about it, and discussed it at length. The relationship as written is fucked up and sketchy, and if their genders were switched, nobody would be okay with it. Or at least, not nearly as many people as those who defend it now. I don't get nearly as much flak for disliking other canon ships as I do for this one, despite all the assumptions and particular interpretations canon!Remus/Tonks shippers make in order to make the relationship not skeevy as fuck.

I don't agree but I suppose that's life.

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