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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-02-15 06:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #2236 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2236 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Inda series]


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[Les Miserables and Discworld]

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[Three Kingdoms 2010, Legend of Chu and Han]


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[DBSK]


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[The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Shivering Isles)]


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09. [SPOILERS for ]

[Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]


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10. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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11. [WARNING for rape]



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12. [possible warning for sexual assault (as I'm sure the thread will contain discussion of it)]



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13. [WARNING for abuse]



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14. [WARNING for rape, abuse, etc]



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15. [WARNING for suicide]



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16. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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17. [WARNING for rape/non-con]

[Homestuck]


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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[personal profile] sugar_spun 2013-02-16 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
Oh good lord.

Jon is violent enough to attack people for perceived insults, to threaten to kill someone for beating up a new friend of his. He's one of the Night Watch's best fighters, and has a big damn wolf.

This is not some damn debate on whether people are 'letting' themselves get raped: I am saying the character Jon would fight back, and chances are, he'd win. There are scenarios where maybe he would, but not many.

This is not some statement about whether or not martially competent people will always fight back or succeed. This is a statement about Jon, which is why I didn't include his friends.

ETA: Sorry, I got a bit annoyed by you immediately interpreting an assumption about a fictional character to being a sweeping generalization of rape victims. It's rather insulting.
Edited 2013-02-16 01:02 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2013-02-16 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Your assumption is insulting

[personal profile] sugar_spun 2013-02-16 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Oh no that poor fictional character's feelings how will I ever apologize for his hurt. Oh. no.

da

(Anonymous) 2013-02-16 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
Your assumption wasn't insulting to a fictional character. It was insulting to me.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2013-02-16 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
Unless you are Jon, no.

[personal profile] atgdng 2013-02-16 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately, your argument gets really shot to hell in the latest book, but I'm not sure if you've read it and I don't want to spoil anyone. Needless to say, Jon isn't as untouchable as imagined, and since he's probably the most defended person on the Wall...

(Anonymous) 2013-02-16 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
I am saying the character Jon would fight back, and chances are, he'd win. There are scenarios where maybe he would, but not many.

Saying that X character or person could never get raped because they would fight back is very harmful and buys into rape culture.

You think all rape victims are as physically weak as newborn kitties? People are caught off-guard, people are raped by people they know and trust.

You are basically insinuating that everyone and anyone who is physically strong or has fighting skills and got raped are at blame for not defending themselves.

You are also insinuating that it's the victims fault for not knowing how to defend themselves and throwing off their attackers.

[personal profile] sugar_spun 2013-02-16 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
No, I'm not. Pick your battles better.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-16 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
Just because it wasn't what you intended to mean, doesn't mean that you are not insinuating it.

[personal profile] sugar_spun 2013-02-16 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not insinuating it. You chose your battle poorly.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-18 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
da You don't know your way around the issue you're discussing.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-16 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
LOL, you really like fighting, don't you.