[ SECRET POST #2236 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2236 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Inda series]


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[Les Miserables and Discworld]

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03.
[Three Kingdoms 2010, Legend of Chu and Han]


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[DBSK]


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[The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Shivering Isles)]


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09. [SPOILERS for ]

[Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]


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10. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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11. [WARNING for rape]



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12. [possible warning for sexual assault (as I'm sure the thread will contain discussion of it)]



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13. [WARNING for abuse]



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14. [WARNING for rape, abuse, etc]



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15. [WARNING for suicide]



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16. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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17. [WARNING for rape/non-con]

[Homestuck]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #319.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. I find GRRM's depiction of the effects of dragons and ice zombies on 15th century English society particularly illuminating.

C'mon, son. It's a work of fantasy, hence a created reality, and anything in there is the choice of the author. GRRM chose what aspects of history he wanted to comment on, and how; every element of it that's problematic is something that he chose to include in the world he created. You can't just say "there was rape in 15th century Europe, so there had to be rape in this". The fact that "that's how it was back then" does not end the argument, because there are things in the work that were NOT how it was back then and things that were how it was back then that are not in the work. It's ultimately down to the author's choice of HOW to interpret and comment on that historical reality; and hence we're back where we started.

[(Anonymous)]

No one is saying that there had to be. But not everyone agrees that there never can be rape in a story or commentary on those aspects of historical periods. I absolutely think that the way it is written in ASOIAF is problematic. But the idea of that sort of commentary is not inherently bad.

[(Anonymous)]

IA

[(Anonymous)]

Haha this.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay but...what's wrong with his CHOICE to include rape as it may have happened back then in our world? He didn't have to, but so what? EVERY fiction story is a created reality, whether it takes place in our world or a magical one. If people don't like GRRM's inclusion of rape, there are plenty of other fantasy and non-fantasy stories that don't have rape for them to read.

[(Anonymous)]

gee, I really can't tell what's wrong with his CHOICE to include objectifying and creepy descriptions of how rape might have happened for realsies to women, but not to men

[(Anonymous)]

Especially when the only male rape is actually a female on male one and more of a femdom fetish material for the men.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure male victims of rape would be happy to hear that.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I personally know one who is.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with this. But there is a difference between the choice to write it in an objectifying and creepy way and the lack of similar writing on what realistically would have been similar for men and the choice to write that sort of commentary at all. I think it is possible to both say that GRRM's writing is objectifying and sexist and to say the idea of that sort of commentary isn't inherently bad.