[ SECRET POST #2239 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2239 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Elementary]


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03.
[Pokemon]


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04.
[Noah, Power Rangers MegaForce]


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05.
[Mass Effect]


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06.
[Resident Evil]


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07.
[Medaka Box]


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08.
[Shameless]


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09.
[Star Trek 2009]


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10.
[Dreamwork's Sinbad, Avengers, American Gods, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Batman, Gunnerkrigg Court, Grim Adventures, Trickster's Choice/Queen]


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11.
[American Dad]


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12.
[Laurell K. Hamilton]


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13.
[my neighbour totoro]


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14.
[Medaka Box]


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15.
[Downton Abbey]


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16.
[The Red Panda, Black Jack Justice]


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Notes:

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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[sugar_spun]

What? H...how...I...I'm not...

I'm not trying to be rude, but...

How can you not call Homer Simpson an asshole? The guy who chokes his own kid for comedic effect as an iconic image? I get it's for laughs, but so is all of the negative behaviors of these guys. He still does it.

[greenvelvetcake]

When it comes down to it, comedic choking aside, the show goes out of its way to show he really does care for his family and loves them deeply.

[chardmonster]

Yeah, this.

It's the fundamental difference between The Simpsons and Family Guy, and why I can't watch the latter. Everyone in the Simpsons family is fundamentally a good person. I'd argue that Homer is a bit of an asshole, but he doesn't mean to be and attempts to make up for it, whereas the Dad on Family Guy is just flat out hateful all the time.

I think Seth McFarlane isn't a very nice person if this is what he keeps churning out.

[sugar_spun]

Yes, but that's kind of what OP is talking about. Characters who are complete jerks who only occasionally have the 'aww, he does care!' moment to prove he does.

When Homer does something awful, the show ends with him making it up to his family. But he keeps doing things. I don't mind Homer's example, actually, because at least it isn't the 'edgy' kind of cruel misogyny of American Dad's.

But, yeah, he's totally an asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

When Homer does something awful, the show ends with him making it up to his family.

Doesn't that also happen in American Dad?

[sugar_spun]

That's what I meant by:

"I don't mind Homer's example, actually, because at least it isn't the 'edgy' kind of cruel misogyny of American Dad's."

Homer is just sort of stupidly callous. Stan tends to be mean and vicious about it. I like Homer. I don't like Stan.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, I usually find that I can give Stan a pass the same way I can give Homer a pass. It seems to me that Homer's cruel acts arise from his "stupidity," but Stan's come from his rigid convictions, which (by the end of every episode) he usually learns to concede.

Take, for example, the episode where Stan literally kidnaps several children because he doesn't believe that homosexual couples can raise healthy children. That action leads him down a very dark and cruel road, but it's not because he's a mean person, it's because he's trying to do what he believes is best for the children. Of course by the end of the episode he realizes his horrible mistake and tries to make amends... which shows that Stan is willing to learn and change. Where Homer, in a similar situation, would simply not "know any better" and come across as callous, Stan has convictions that cause him to seem heartless.

[sugar_spun]

Yeah, I'm a lot more sympathetic towards plain ignorance than mean ignorance. I don't feel Homer ever really talks down to Marge or his kids the way Stan does.

It's usually the convictions of people that we use to determine they're bad people. No one just does evil things for evil reasons. They treat women like dirt because they think men are better. That's their "conviction".

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I guess that's fair enough. I can see how that would turn someone off a character, though for me seeing Stan learn how wrong he was and try to change himself for the better is usually rewarding enough for me to forgive him for his horrible behavior. Personally, I'll never, EVER get tired of seeing Stan learn how to relax his firmly "right-wing" beliefs. XD

[(Anonymous)]

You realize that Homer also has a "realize that gay people are good people and that he shouldn't be a raging homophobe" episode too, right?

[(Anonymous)]

...and?

[(Anonymous)]

Homer's the perfect metaphor for Flyover Americans, his homophobia is because he's heard the homophobic cliches and is just too bovine to disagree. He doesn't have the intelligence or imagination to break free of the herd even when inherent contradictions are rubbed in his face. Stan is the true believer in Homophobia type who is more than just the cliche repeater, but the cliche originator in order to perpetuate his views amongst the populace (which is entirely in keeping with his job with the CIA).

That is the difference between the two. I'll give props to the production team of both by having them learn differently though.

[(Anonymous)]

The same applies for Stan. He likes to control everything, but in the end it's shown that he still loves his family. I can think of several examples where he's been willing to give up his life to save theirs.

[nan]

Agreed.

[visp]

But his love of them doesn't translate into not doing the things that hurt them.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeeeaaaahhhhh, which is kind of the requirement to be "not abusive".

[oroburos69]

Loving people doesn't really excuse repeatedly ruining their lives out of your own stupidity--Homer's shortsightedness is assholish in the extreme. On the other hand, serial cartoon where almost nothing has long term effects, so after 22 minutes, none of it matters anymore.

IDK. Cartoon morality doesn't translate well to real life. I will agree that Homer isn't mean-spirited, though, which does set him as the winner in this particular contest.

[visp]

Loving people doesn't really excuse repeatedly ruining their lives

Thank you. I am so sick of the notion that loving someone on the inside somehow excuses unloving actions to them on the outside.