[ SECRET POST #2242 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2242 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 022 secrets from Secret Submission Post #320.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[nyxelestia]

I could go on about this for a while

Please do. :P


And yeah, the 20s-40s were just as raunchy and sullied as the modern world, they were simply more hush-hush about it. Steve would never have been sheltered and even been actively exposed to all sorts of crap, he'd just be less inclined to talk about it as casually as we do in the modern era.

norsekink and avengerkink, if you pay attention to the prompts, do have an unsettling preoccupation with noncon. The fills, however, don't seem to have much more noncon than other kinkmemes that have a favorite woobie.

As for the Steve and Tony thing - I always get the impression that there's this hidden divide in fandom, and which side of that you fall on is basically which one, Steve or Tony, you think was The Asshole of the Avengers movie. This has always confused me, because my impression of them during the movie was largely that once you discount all the stuff with the spear's influence, a professional relationship with some tension coming from crossed wires.

i.e. a lot of people take Tony's Pilates and Capsicle jokes on the quinjet as some kind of asshole move, but I honestly saw it as Tony basically being mildly nice in a professional sort of way. They have a moment of downtime, so Tony tries to strike up conversation, and he makes a few jokes at Steve's expense because Tony wouldn't have minded that or even might've appreciated that if their positions were reversed. Once it's clear Steve doesn't appreciate it, Tony backs off and they both turn their attention back to the work-related problem at hand. I genuinely didn't think anyone read this scene as Tony being actively malicious until I was sucked into the depths of the fandom.

And even with the stuff around the spear, they both pretty much gave as good as they got, hitting each other's weakspots dead-on, which was the point of the spear's influence. I can't really see one of them as having been particularly worse than the other one. o.O

[fae_boleyn]

Yes, yes they were. What irks me, often, is this thought that Steve would, say, have faith in the government. I once went off about this on Tumblr because someone was all "Steve doesn't know about Watergate/Vietnam/etc" so he must still trust the government. And I'm like "Um... He might trust them less than us. When he went down, people were only just starting to trust them again after the Depression." Not to mention, I feel like he'd look at our economy and be like "What are you doing, you're going to let this happen again?!" The Steve of the films was never overly patriotic - his reasons for wanting to fight were either personal or about the other soldiers, not Uncle Sam.

Eh, I'm inclined to think the Capsicle joke was a bit less than friendly (I agree wholeheartedly on the Pilates one) but I feel like it was... spur of the moment. There's crossed wires and issues we don't know about - and apparently in the original script Steve tried to break the ice by mentioning Howard, which we all know would have been a Bad Idea - and I'm just like "Damn it, you two!"

[nyxelestia]

Dude, even comics Steve doesn't trust the government. Does no one remember how anti-Registration Steve was? I sometimes wonder how familiar these people are with their history, writing Steve like that. Or which movie they watched - I always thought a big point of Steve's character was that despite the costume, he wasn't patriotic (or at least wasn't in the war for patriotism).

And hell, I'm pretty sure none of the Avengers (or anyone in the real world) "trust" the government.