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⌈ Secret Post #2243 ⌋

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[Evolution]

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[My Chemical Romance and One Direction]

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[silence of the lambs]

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05. http://oi46.tinypic.com/vzc4lk.jpg
[linked for casual nudity; not porn but not the artsy kind either]

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06. http://i48.tinypic.com/2ivll3b.png
[somewhat sexual photomanip]

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07. http://i.imgur.com/88IwqTG.jpg
[and this one has naked kim jong il in it]

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[paranatural]

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14. [SPOILERS for Walking Dead]

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15. [SPOILERS for Super Dangan Ronpa 2]

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16. [SPOILERS for Pokemon BW 2]

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17. [SPOILERS for Walking Dead]

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18. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]

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19. [WARNING for rape]

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20. [WARNING for dub-con]

[The Rocketeer]

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It's that stupid "quadrant" think that I'm actually talking about - I forgot the term for it for a minute. (And the fact that I know what the term even is, despite actively trying to avoid Homestuck, should tell you something.) I know hate-shipping is a thing, but unless you're talking about HS pairings, just fucking call it hate-shipping, my god. It doesn't need a new, more obscure name.

I won't bother explaning it in depth to you cause it'd piss you off more, but that's just language, op. When the right word comes along, it'll perpetuate. Also, if correctly used, it's mean to describe a relationship both parties desire, as opposed to the kind where they end up confused. Though people misusing it is something you can't just blame on the homestucks.

Well, I'm not sure if this will help you, OP, but imma gonna try anyway, and explain why I actually LIKE the quadrant thing... even though you're correct in that it's mostly just giving names to things that already exist. Mostly.

What I like about troll quadrants:

1. The names for each quadrant romance type are actually very nice coinages. Kismesissitude (the hate-shipping quadrant), for instance, is a smash up of the words "kismet" and "nemesis," so the definition is right there in the word itself: "fated enemy." It's the same for morallegience... "moirai" comes from a Greek term for a Greek god of fate, and then of course there is the whole "allegience" part of it: it's a "fated allegience." I think that just from a linguistic POV I find these terms pleasant and fun, since they are just so clever and make me wish I'd come up with them.

2. Relating to point #1, each of the terms makes some kind of allusion to fate in terms of the meaning. The concept of "fate" is a Big Deal in troll romances and it's implied that it's way more crucial to their understanding of romance than it is for humans... they generally believe that their relationships are ~~fated~~ in some way, and it's seen as something that is very central to a troll's identity, almost as central as gender identity usually is to we humans. A troll without their romantic quadrants filled is seen as somewhat incomplete and lesser based on troll cultural traditions... so much so that trolls who do not have at least two of the quadrants filled by the time they are grown up will be killed... it's romance as IMPERATIVE, and this allows for certain good critiques of that worldview.

3. Relating to point #3, the narrative goes out of its way to subvert this troll worldview... even though troll culture tells our young troll heros that romance is a matter of fate, experience does not bear this out, and trolls seem to succeed or fail based largely on how much they can set aside these ingrained beliefs and accept that their identities don't NEED to be defined by romance, and that the end of a romance doesn't HAVE to mean they are failures as trolls, and that you can break up with people and start dating new people in each of these quadrants and it's okay.

Mostly, I see it as Hussie making some larger points about how romance is often dealt with in other fantasy-adventure stories of this sort. By creating a BIG DEAL COMPLEX DESTINY-DRIVEN system for the trolls and then making it so that NO troll is (or seems capable of!) succeeding at filling ALL of their "mandatory" quadrants seems to be a way of showing that even though romance is important, it doesn't have to be the most important thing ever... and that it's not more important than friendship. It's not that he's denigrating romance either: I just think he wants to show his young readership that romance is more of a process and something that it's okay to experiment with/not be serious about/fuck up in... that doing all these things is a part of growing up, and that although having all these different types of romance can be nice they are truly optional and have nothing to do with any given character's worth as an individual.

So... honestly, I think that it's not really that he just created an arbitrary system to add needless complexity to things. I think he created it as a means to make a point, and he makes that point by subverting the very system he created. In the context of the overall story of Homestuck, I find this really neat!

Now, I understand this might not convince you at all... might not even make you hate the whole quadrant thing less... but I figure it is worth a shot! :)

Edited 2013-02-23 02:05 (UTC)

this is a really good comment

not op

I also really like it because in fiction, we tend to have just one ideal about what romantic relationships should be, even though relationships in reality are a lot more complicated. And then Homestuck gives us a society that has four very different ideals about relationships, and none of them are really portrayed as being more important, ideal, or "right" than the others.

Ok, this is kind of bothering me. For one thing, kismesissitude is not the same thing as "hate-shipping" (at least not exactly? it kinda seems more nuanced to me since it's actually a developed idea and not just "I want these two guys who are always mean to each other to fuck") and for shipping characters as kismeses in other fandoms is literally nothing more than another way to cross over two fandoms, so why does it bother you so much? You don't have to do it. You do kind of sound like you're trying to squish everyone's fun here.

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