[ SECRET POST #2245

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⌈ Secret Post #2245 ⌋

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Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"As we know, all people regardless of gender are capable of the entire range of human behaviours but since we live in a male dominated, male centered society traits stereotypically identified as masculine are most valued and consequentially more celebrated by Hollywood while traits stereotypically identified as feminine are undervalued and often denigrated.

This maybe one of the reasons why people are quick to adopt Mattie as a feminist character and other female pop culture characters who are considered strong and tough. The feminism I subscribe to and work for involves more then women and our fictional representations simply acting like men or unquestioningly replicating archetypal male values such being emotionally inexpressive, the need for domination and competition, and the using violence as a form of conflict resolution.

In my feminist vision, part of what makes a character feminist is watching her struggle with prioritizing values such as cooperation, empathy, compassion, and non violent conflict resolution in a world largely hostile to those values.

In True Grit, Mattie is certainly subverts expected gender roles by being witty and smart and competent and independent yet she’s not challenging the set of patriarchal archetypal male values ever present in most mass media narratives – she’s actually adopting them."

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, secret-maker: what Sarkeesian actually said is a far fucking cry from "Mattie doesn't count", and you're an idiot.

If I had a dollar for every time a woman's position was twisted out of proportion to make her look bad, I could buy a revolution.

[(Anonymous)]

She said she's not a feminist character. Right there in the opening segment on her video.

[(Anonymous)]

I’ve been a little dismayed by some mainstream media articles and some blog posts that are quick to label Mattie a feminist character. Personally, I think this is a bit of a leap. While it’s certainly true that Mattie possesses a number of admirable traits rarely seen in female movie roles, I’m just not convinced that she’s a feminist character.

How the fuck is that twisted out of proportion? She says it right there, black and white.

[(Anonymous)]

B-b-but...PATRIARCHY!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and she explains why she feels that way and her reasons are good. Accusing her of making a blanket dismissal is bullshit and YOU are bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

So she IS saying that Mattie doesn't count as a feminist. Which the OP disagrees with. What's the problem?

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[(Anonymous)]

and her reasons are good

Aaaand that's where you're wrong!

[(Anonymous)]

What? The topic for discussion right here, right now, is not "are her reasons good?" It's "does Mattie count as a feminist character?"

She says that Mattie does not count as a feminist character. Yet despite acknowledging that she says this, you are freaking out at people for acknowledging that she says this.

[(Anonymous)]

"YOU are bullshit."

Welp now we've descended into the realm of elementary insults.

"Your shirt is ugly and so are YOU so NYAH!"

[chardmonster]

, I could buy a revolution.

Did you really just type that

Do you play I Am Woman Hear Me Roar on repeat

[sockpants]

ANY woman's position, or just THIS woman's?

Because it's pretty hard to twist things she says to make her look bad. She does that pretty well on her own.

[chardmonster]

In my feminist vision, part of what makes a character feminist is watching her struggle with prioritizing values such as cooperation, empathy, compassion, and non violent conflict resolution in a world largely hostile to those values.

But this is still dictating that women must act a certain way.

It isn't really freeing us so much as trying to shove us into a different box.

I mean these are values I like too! But I don't demand women hew to some kind of line because vaginas

[visp]

Also, she does all those things. She bargains with people, makes deals, persuade others, procures the cooperation of two rather difficult-to-get-along-with people, has compassion, and isn't a Rambo-type.