[ SECRET POST #2245

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⌈ Secret Post #2245 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Lines you wish you could erase from canon

[elaminator]

For what it's worth, I didn't like it either and don't think it was necessary. (Like he didn't have enough to deal with in that game without the added 'love interest' + death of said love interest.)

I can sorta understand Hal going along with the relationship though, because like you said, he was in an emotionally vulnerable state. (The thing about his Stepmother...and well, Sniper Wolf too, made their whole relationship feel even skeevier. He has a Very Bad past with women and Naomi using him was in no way okay and just fucked him up even more.)

IDK, I think the "Oops I feel in love with you while screwing you over" thing was MEANT to feel gross. Or...maybe not, but that's just the way it turns out considering the situation and the knowledge of Hal's past. He wouldn't be angry about it because by that point Hal is used to being used and can't bring himself to care, and that's what (at least to me) makes it so sad.

Re: Lines you wish you could erase from canon

[lynx]

*+1 to everything you say*

It's hard to have this discussion without falling into blaming Naomi for everything :( It's just, indeed, Hal's past and the way he deals with it is such an enormous thing about his character. I won't say it was non-con, he is shown (in a very poorly written way) having interest on Naomi before the infamous helicopter scene happened but the timing! And the way it happens!

He was lonely and depressed when everything happens, and then in the helicopter scene he's shown as very insecure at the whole ordeal when Naomi shows an interest in him. He tries to get the fuck away several times, and then he's dragged into the chopper anyway. The way he's tugged inside the chopper was shown as funny, but it wasn't, he was at least being pressured into having sex. And then he "falls in love", which as for MGS2 interpretations, is his way to not put the blame in the other party when he has been abused.

Now, Naomi couldn't have known (all) that. But she did use him. And the writers making her "fall in love" too felt like a cheap way to lessen what she did.

FFF sorry for the TL;DR, I just have a lot of Otacon feels.

Re: Lines you wish you could erase from canon

[elaminator]

Awww, your icon. I really need Otacon and Sunny icons...

And I agree with you on all of that. The main thing the helicopter scene told me was that Otacon didn't look ready for sex and Naomi pushed until he went along with it. He definitely didn't look comfortable with it and it came off awkward and a bit disturbing, not cute or funny.

And then he "falls in love", which as for MGS2 interpretations, is his way to not put the blame in the other party when he has been abused.

Very true... :/

So yea, Naomi couldn't have known his past but that doesn't make what she did to him in the present any less skeevy or wrong.

(Don't apologize for Otacon feels! I've had some lately, too. :p)