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Comments

[visp]

Eeeh... possible good point and possible bad point. The good point is that yes, oppression does not always = compassion among the oppressed, and many times violence begets violence. And yes, I think some of Israel's more extreme views have been influenced by the fact that being peaceable didn't stop them from suffering through the Holocaust, so there's a "fuck y'all, no one's ever fucking with us again," mentality.

So... yeah, I'm just assuming you weren't saying that the Nation of Israel's current policies are on par with what the Nazis did.

[(Anonymous)]

Not on a par with late Nazi period, but certainly on a par with early-Nazi circa 1935/6ish.

Mainly because of Sharon and later Netanyahu's policies. If he were to dial back the rhetoric, maybe apologise for the King David bombing and a lot of Mossad's work (needs at least a South African "truth and reconciliation" style investigation into Mossad's activities), as well as stopping the illegal evictions and settlers then it would be almost acceptable as Middle East regime activity. Trouble is most of what they are doing right now manages to make fucking Iran look good. Oh yeah, and just get rid of the damn nukes we all know they have. It is sickening hypocrisy to attack Iran for wanting nukes when they are clutching a load themselves.

[visp]

Not on a par with late Nazi period, but certainly on a par with early-Nazi circa 1935/6ish.

Yeah, but c'mon, when people say 'Nazi' it's not like people are thinking about their build-up period. As for the rest, I don't argue Israel/Palestine issues.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, people need to learn more history. Even the Nazis weren't the stereotypical Nazis of pantomime villain status they eventually became for all their regime. I agree that the current state of Israel has not reached the depths that the Nazis eventually sunk to, but that they are on the same spectrum at all is troubling to say the least.

[(Anonymous)]

But the thing is that lots of regimes over the course of history can be said to be "on the same spectrum" as the Nazis, if we're going to look at the entire period of their influence and power. Many governments have been prejudiced and extreme; many peoples have been scapegoated and oppressed. This is not right, but it is not the same as attempting to dominate the world and commit systematic genocide.

[(Anonymous)]

That is certainly true. The scary take away lesson from the nazis is how easily and quickly you can go from a bit nasty to full out insanely evil. And no country ever intends to. You can bet no one in 1930s Germany woke up one morning and said to themselves "Hey lets join the league of childishly evil". They took small "reasonable" steps in response to perceived threats each of which took them down the slope. That is what Sharon and later Netanyahu's governments have done.

Israel should know better though, a large chunk of its population or their immediate forebears have been on the receiving end of that quick slide. They are being wilfully blind to their own small reasonable steps down that same slope. It is worrying how a country that can be so familiar can make the same mistakes, and frankly it is very difficult to see that it is anything other than deliberate because of that.

Nazi Germany slept walked their way into their holocaust, Israel seems to doing it with purpose.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm going Anon to say I've thought this too. I'm worried that too many Israelis have somehow turned into vicious religious fanatic nationalists who can justify practically anything with the premise that national interest trumps all.

Heck, I know Americans who think that, and think that's perfectly normal--and that's not a nation with quite the same reason for a persecution complex.

Scared you're right, freaked out at how far Bibi's paranoia and the rise of religious Zionism could take things.

So no, Magneto's not that unbelievable.