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Comments

Re: May I direct you to the history of Israel

[chardmonster]

By much I don't mean most.

Also... with all due respect, no moral ground to condemn current oppression?

Okay, then. I really hope the US never puts any kind of pressure on Israel or other nations to stop gross human rights violations. I'd hate us to be hypocrites and do something nice for currently alive people.

Re: May I direct you to the history of Israel

[chardmonster]

I mean we should probably stop giving a shit about human trafficing because of all that crap we did up until the 1860s. By god we'd BETTER NOT BE HYPOCRITES

Re: May I direct you to the history of Israel

[lynx]

No, ok, it would be nice if you did condemn human rights violations and it helped in some way. It would be the start of something different.

I come from one of the many, many countries in which the US intervened and installed genocidal right-wing puppet dictatorships (in 1973 here, so nope, not 1860); so I admit I'm rather sceptical on the good will of your governments. Nope, you don't have the moral grounds - even now the Obama administration is drone-bombing third-world countries. But you do have power to stop gross human right violations, so I guess that will have to suffice.

Re: May I direct you to the history of Israel

[chardmonster]

Okay--see, this we can agree on. If that's what you mean by moral ground then that's fine.

I thought you wanted the US to just kind of sit there self-flagellating without attempting to do anything. I was born in 1985; frankly I'd like to help do something about the shit done before I was born. Eventually my generation will the the old farts.

I apologize for the TL;DR >>;;

[lynx]

It's good to reach an understanding :3b

Self-flagellation never produces anything good. What I'm trying to convey here is that for a message to be both powerful and honest, the speaker needs to be self aware too. For a change to be made there needs to be knowledge of past mistakes. This is true for both individuals and foreign politics.

I do hope your generation, and generations to come, make the US attain the aforementioned moral grounds to go on par with their power. We all want to make the world a better place, I think, and in that way everyone is important in a global scale - but people from influential countries have an added responsibility, for better or worse.

If you don't mind a bit of personal info: I was born in 1988, the year Chile's dictatorship fell (mom took baby!me to the celebration on the streets when Pinochet lost the plebiscite). So I wasn't directly there. But the fallout of the dictatorship is felt even now, every day, in our politics, our economy, and the live historical memory of our country. I wasn't there for the dictatorship but my family was, and they suffered the poverty and the constant fear of being tortured, illegally disappeared and/or murdered by the government and its political police.

What is done was done, and I guess I'm not asking for my country to receive any kind of help from the US, but it would have been awesome if Obama had apologized for Pinochet when he came here :/

With this I go back to the topic: For all the merits I don't deny the Obama administration has, they certainly don't seem to be very willing to step up and use the US power for good internationally. Their backing up of Israel's policy towards Palestine is a clear example of how poorly they are doing in the matter of defending human rights.