ext_82219 ([identity profile] shahni.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2007-09-05 03:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #243 ]


⌈ Secret Post #243 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 074 secrets from Secret Submission Post #035.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Thursday, September 6th, 2007.
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Oh and SIXTEEN

[identity profile] sparklemagpie.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
While I don't think being an anime and fandom embroilled hermit that has no outside life is neccessarily something to be proud of... some people LITERALLY have NOTHING ELSE in this world that they call home except for the internet and common fandoms.

I'm sure lots of them would like to have the outside life you talk about, but many don't have that and never will.

Perhaps they should aspire to more, but for those of them that have no way out, comments like yours just make them ashamed of what happiness and friendship they've managed to find, as if it's something less worthy than what you might have IRL.

It's not. It's just different. So don't act so superior about it, please?

Re: Oh and SIXTEEN

[identity profile] iamadoughnut.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, who are all these people who can't go to the library occasionally and check out something not fandom-related? Or otherwise do something inexpensive and low-impact? I'm willing to bet that the number of people who are truly housebound or otherwise incapable isn't all that high.

Re: Oh and SIXTEEN

[identity profile] sparklemagpie.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
How about the people for whom doing something 'exciting and new' it just isn't worth the risk?

How about my roommate with anxiety problems who has days where she can barely go to the grocery store without feeling overwhelmed? How about the friends I've known in abusive family situations where the computer is the only outlet they get to make friends and even that is heavily controlled?

How about the people who don't have the money to go out to movies or dinners or stuff like that? How about the people who just DON'T LIKE dealing with being in public with crowds and cars and strangers everywhere?

But really, none of the above matters that much because no one should have to JUSTIFY doing what they like to do with their own time.

I'm willing to bet the number of people who are going to venture out of their comfort zones to appease what YOU think they should do with their lives isn't all that high either. There's nothing WRONG with people who embroil themselves in fandom.

Maybe it's not particularly healthy to talk entirely in Star Wars quotes or something of the like, but that doesn't mean that I should feel ashamed or like I have less of a life because I like to spend my evenings comfortably at home on my computer talking to people I like about stuff I like.

I shouldn't have to be ASHAMED of how I live just because it's not what you would consider a good life if you were me. You're not me. So... go live your own life and don't talk to me if you don't like mine.

There is life outside your apartment.

[identity profile] iamadoughnut.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
LOL, defensive.

You know, I don't give a rat's ass how you live your life. I just happen to have an opinion based on my own experiences. I'm not an extrovert myself, I like things to be quiet and orderly, I'm not fond of being in big crowds. And the Internet is good for communication in a lot of ways. It's one of the main ways I talk to my closest friends. I'm not against being online or even against fandom.

But in my experience, people who are putting most of their time into this stuff and not also pursuing much of a life beyond that are not going to grow, they are not going to challenge themselves, and they are going to miss out. I'm not even shaming you, for god's sake. I don't care enough about you. I just know that the world is so full of things that are more interesting than fandom, things that aren't on the Internet, people and mediums and history and experiences that are all more valuable (a fair few of which don't require a lot of money, just time and effort and patience). And too few people (in general, not just in fandom) go out and look for these things. It's a shame.

Re: There is life outside your apartment.

[identity profile] sparklemagpie.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think it's a fair assumption to presume that the internet is a less valuable resource than any other for gathering information and connecting with people. Just because books and museums and other things were here first doesn't mean they somehow impart BETTER knowledge.

I did all of my education - kindergarten up to graduating college - out in 'real life', dealing with other people day to day, learning in the traditional public school system like every other normal social child.

Being in public school taught me history, math, english, geography, back stabbing, name calling and how to hate everything about myself by the time I was eight years old.

Please tell me how that experience is inherently more valuable to me than the accepting experiences I've had with people I meet over the internet simply because it happened outside of my computer?

I agree that there are some people who use their computers as an excuse not to deal with the world AT ALL, but just because I PREFER time on my computer to the crapshoot that is trying to make friends with people I don't even like at my job, doesn't mean that I'm incapable of challenging myself or growing as a person.

You have your opinion, I have mine, and I'm not going to argue about it anymore because obviously we don't and are not going to agree on the topic.

Enjoy your going out and experiencing things that you think are more important than fandom for you. I'll be on my computer talking to the people I care about about the stuff that's most important to me.

Re: There is life outside your apartment.

[identity profile] dorknessrising.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
I just know that the world is so full of things that are more interesting than fandom, things that aren't on the Internet, people and mediums and history and experiences that are all more valuable (a fair few of which don't require a lot of money, just time and effort and patience)

Sorry, I can barely understand you when you have your head shoved that far up your ass.

Sure there are things offline that are more interesting to you. More valuable to you. What you find interesting and valuable =/= what everyone else finds interesting and valuable.

I know I'm missing out on a lot. I really don't give a shit. I'm happy with the way I soend my time, and that's all that matters.

Re: Oh and SIXTEEN

[identity profile] dorknessrising.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
Have I told you lately how much I love you?

I need to design a "Rachel's Official Stamp of Absolute Pwnage" for times like these.

Re: Oh and SIXTEEN

[identity profile] nashidesei.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
*raises hand* I'm on that list of "housebound or otherwise incapable people". It happens. People get debilitatingly ill. Life sucks. Fandom and the friends I have online are the only reasons I haven't gone insane being stuck in my house all the time.

If a life online is the only one you can have, then it should be perfectly acceptable to be proud of it.

Re: Oh and SIXTEEN

[identity profile] nashidesei.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone who is almost completely housebound due to severe illness, stuck inside all day with no way to play with the world outside except through my computer, this comment made me feel very happy. Thank you. *blows kisses at you through her Mary Sue icon*