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citrinesunset ([personal profile] citrinesunset) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets 2013-03-01 09:55 am (UTC)

Re: inb4 "DIE SCUM DIE"

I'm curious, do you have any context or background about the word's origins? Not arguing with you--I'm honestly curious. The only information I can find is that it was first used in 1909. So you may very well be right about its origins, but I can't find any info on that.

The thing is, "misogyny," like a lot of words associated with sociology and psychology, can have multiple meanings. When people talk about misogyny in the context of women's rights and feminism, it's almost always in the context of the larger societal and institutional connotations. Something can be misogynistic without being outwardly "hateful" (that is, someone can perpetuate misogyny and have misogynistic beliefs without realizing it or feeling like they have animosity toward women).

But "misogyny" can also refer to hatred of women in a general sense, or to violent hatred like that displayed by some serial killers. I think you can argue that frequently, this type of misogyny is also influenced by broader, societal misogyny. But from a simple word-usage standpoint, it's possible to say that someone who hates women a personal level is misogynistic without talking about the larger societal implications. That is, someone can be misogynistic both in the sense of buying into societal misogyny and feeling extreme hatred and animosity toward women. The two things are connected but also different.

There are some people who hate men, in general, and feel strong anger or animosity toward them. This isn't really debatable, though it's certainly true that a lot of misogynistic people see hatred of men where it doesn't actually exist ("Feminists all hate men!" for example). But how would we describe a TV show that seems to gleefully depict violence against men (because they are men), or a violent person who specifically targets male victims (because they are men), without describing it as hatred of men? This doesn't mean that the social context isn't very different, or that hatred of men can be directly compared to hatred of women. Though I would argue that hatred of anyone based on gender or gender expression often has roots in misogyny.

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