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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-02-28 06:45 pm

[ SECRET POST #2249 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2249 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Otoyomegatari]


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03.
[Girls und Panzer]


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04.
[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]


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05.
[Monster High]


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06.
[My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic]


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07.
[Jackass 3D]


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08.
[Paranatural]


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09.
[Angelina Jolie]


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10.
[Der Ring des Nibelungen]


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11.
[Mary Shelley's Frankenhole]


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12.
[Medium]


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13.
[The Americans]


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14.
[The Mindy Project]


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15.
[5Dolls, T-ARA]


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16.
[A Good Day To Die Hard]


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17.
[Harry Potter]



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18. http://i45.tinypic.com/2v0bjpd.jpg
[linked for porn, Spartacus: Vengeance]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 019 secrets from Secret Submission Post #321.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Re: inb4 "DIE SCUM DIE"

(Anonymous) 2013-03-01 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It would indeed be silly, and I'll agree with you on homophobic because that's the standard term for prejudice against homosexuality although there doesn't seem to be any phobia involved.

Is "being interested in unlimited animated boobs and asses" a negative quality? I would say yes. (Others might argue, but let's set that aside for the sake of this discussion.)

Is assuming something negative about an entire gender sex discrimination? Yes. It's practically in the definition. (Assuming something positive would also be sex discrimination.)

It is, therefore, negative sexism directed at men. I consider this to fall under the heading of "misandry". What do you think misandry is supposed to be? Because "negative opinions about all men (and only men)" exists, and I'm not sure how you can argue it doesn't.

Re: inb4 "DIE SCUM DIE"

(Anonymous) 2013-03-01 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Misandry isn't a thing that exists. At all.

See, the thing is? You're right, there are people who have negative opinions about men! But they don't have, y'know, the societal power or privilege to actually hurt men beyond hurting their feelings. So I wouldn't even start to call "misandry" a real thing that happens. Men still hold pretty much all the societal power and privilege (almost all people in positions of power are men; men have enormous social power and privilege with which to hurt women; when a man hurts a woman, even just socially [i.e. saying she's lying about being raped, or that she's a "slut"], it goes FAR BEYOND just hurting her feelings and into the realm of where it is actually physically dangerous for the woman - WALKING DOWN THE STREET is dangerous for women because of men, so no, that isn't comparable AT ALL to a man having his feelings hurt because he doesn't understand that women who say "I hate men" have a really goddamn good reason for doing so).

Also, "being interested in unlimited boobs and asses" is not widely considered a bad thing (whether they're animated or not doesn't matter). Men aren't shamed for expressing their sexuality like women are. While a few people might think it's gross (mostly women because, GASP, dehumanizing and objectifying women to use as fap material is actually NOT OKAY and really sexist [so basically you are saying it's sexist to be grossed out by sexism lol okay]), by and large society does not give a shit. Men are ENCOURAGED to be loud and proud about their sexuality - people just lol and shrug if a guy watched a lot of porn, guys are encouraged to sleep with a lot of women, and so on. It's societally okay if a man sleeps with a lot of women, or if he just sleeps with one or two women - he doesn't suffer discrimination because of it.

On the other hand, if a woman were interested in images of hot guys, she's shamed for it. (Let's not even get started on how women who are interested in "unlimited boobs and asses" are treated because that's a whole new ballpark of sexism and homophobia.) When women express their sexuality, it's considered shameful, gross, "oversharing" and they're discriminated against for it. If a woman watches porn, she's a pervert, she's gross, she's a slut. If a woman sleeps with a lot of guys (or just a couple of guys!), she's a slut, a whore, she's ostracized and has an increased risk of being raped or harmed. If a woman sleeps with no guys, or just a few guys, she's a prude, she needs to "loosen up," and she's... at an increased risk of rape. Basically women get it coming and going, no matter what - there's no winning.

So yeah, I wouldn't actually compare the two at all, and to say that misandry exists in any form is just completely wrong. Especially when all the shit y'all complain about either is the effect on men of misogyny or, y'know, just some white straight cis dude getting his feelings hurt because women don't love and trust him automatically.

Re: inb4 "DIE SCUM DIE"

(Anonymous) 2013-03-01 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I think we're having a argument of definitions. I believe that something can have a word that describes it even if it is not a significant force or major concern; I conclude you do not? I suppose I can understand your argument that applying the word misandry inflates a minor problem to a significance it does not deserve, but I feel that the battle should be over the significance of the word, not its existence, because negative sex discrimination against men does exist, and claiming it doesn't makes you sound silly.

We don't say that a disease doesn't deserve a name because it's too rare. It doesn't mean E. Henry Thripshaw's disease should get the same amount of research funding and awareness and testing and everything else we give to diseases that kill millions every year, but being rare and globally unimportant doesn't make it not exist.

And I do judge -- in a "I am weirded out" way -- people who are interested in unlimited animated boobs and asses, because I'm not as open to others' kinks as I should be.