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[ SECRET POST #2250 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2250 ⌋

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[Pusher II]

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[nigahiga]

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[code lyoko evolution]

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10. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]

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11. [SPOILERS for Kuroko no Basket]

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12. [WARNING for rape]

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[SNSD/Girls' Generation]

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[One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest]

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It's an interesting ethical path to go down.

We could also switch it around and point out the incoherence in suggesting we fundamentally cannot strip animals of consent, when we eat them or keep them in slavery.

Yeah, it's one of those touchy subjects, but I think the basic point here is that we, by and large, to not condone the use of animals in a way that does not benefit them or is not a necessary function of something. Dogs benefit from being pets. Only people benefit from having sex with dogs. At the very least, eating animals is a part of our biology and many people cannot actually afford to live vegan lives.

Being vegan is cheaper then being an omnivore.

Or at least being a vegetarian I guess. Meat is inherently going to be more expensive then the alternative because of trophic levels.

I've read a lot of Singers arguments on the topic, and honestly from a moral perspective it's easy to fill any counter with holes. It's just taboo. And I'm okay with that, but it's a fun thought experiment.

Vegetarian maybe, but not vegan. Vegetarian is not much better since it requires the byproducts of animal slaves, as you put it. Vegan would be the choice, but it's expensive.

Some people like to fudge the numbers by pretending omnivorous people eat meat every time they eat, but they don't. You can have a generally vegetarian diet and partake of meat only occasionally and it's cheaper than being a vegan.

Not to mention the type of person it takes to be sexually interested in animals makes people suspicious.

Is it?

Where I live, only a few vegetables are cheap. Mostly root vegetables like potatoes and carrots. If you want things like fresh fruits or leafy veggies, you have to pay a shit ton, at least in comparison by weight to meat.

Not to mention you have to eat MORE of it, because fruits and veggies are not filling.

To clarify, it's grains (rich in carbohydrates) that give us more calories than meat. Other parts of vegetables (leaves, etc.) are often full of vitamins/minerals and cellulose but very little in the way of energy-providing material.

Veggies are still good for you, but veggies alone won't sustain you. You have to eat at least carbs too. And you need a protein source - doesn't have to be animal, but often is.

I agree that produce can be expensive, though. Eating carbs all the time with no meat is cheaper than eating carbs and meat together (but it's hella bad for you if that's all you eat); adding in fruits and vegetables will make it more expensive no matter what your basic sources of energy are.

I'm not suggesting lettuce instead of meat?

Nuts for protein*, for the rest pretty much any base foodstuff is going to be drastically cheaper. Trust me, I used to bulk - meat is expensive as fuck.

*£1.00 for a hundred grams of protein from peanuts, £5.00 from chicken. And for meat that's pretty much the best concentrated source.

Nuts is a very common allergy for many people; meat less so.

Beans, lentils and some peas (like chick peas) are pretty good too, and if you buy them dried and boil them yourself they're really cheap (at least where I live). And kidney beans even contain iron! =)

it all depends on where you live, nuts aren't that cheap everywhere

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Your privilege is showing, tone it down, nutcase.

Vegetables are actually quite filling, I eat a pound of either broccoli, cauliflower, or carrots every day and they really really fill me up. I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan tho, but I completely disagree about them not being filling.

Actually, where I live meat is cheaper than a lot of other food. My vegetarian friends either spend a lot more money or they eat the same things over and over and over (rice and beans and lettuce, mostly), which isn't healthy.

honestly from a moral perspective it's easy to fill any counter with holes.

Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. My cousin couldn't.

This. I can't either, because I have chronic anemia that requires me to eat red meat on a regular basis. (I take supplements as well, but iron that comes from food sources is absorbed better than iron from supplements.)

I think that was basically what happened with my cousin, too, but I'm not up on the details. I just know that she went vegan for three years and got sicker and sicker until her doctor basically told her "you need to start eating meat again, or you will die."

Ditto. Not diagnosed, but when I DON'T have meat, I feel sluggish, dizzy, and constantly hungry, and my nail beds take on a slight purple tinge. Basically, I can't function.

my mom was much the same way, and my dad had other stuff going on, so our attempt to go vegan failed pretty miserably too

For many people, going vegetarian or vegan is feasible. Not everyone. I don't think anyone is saying that your cousin needs to go vegan. (or really that anyone "needs to")

I was just pointing out that there's at least one argument against going vegetarian that doesn't actually have an easy counterargument. Personal health is one of them.

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I think the being vegetarian is cheaper is more nuanced than vegetables are cheaper than meat.

It's true, on its own vegetables are often cheaper than meat (1kg of lentils vs 1kg of meat for example). But that is assuming everything is bought fresh. There are a lot of people that don't have access to fresh vegetables etc on a consistent basis though. (look up food deserts) There are also a lot of people who do not buy fresh food because they don't have time (or don't want) to cook.

Now if you look at processed food, microwave meals, take-out, that sort of stuff, vegetarian stuff tends to be, not only less varied, but also more expensive. A lot of the really cheap stuff to get often has animal byproducts in them (fats, animal broth and such) which would make them non-vegetarian even if they look vegetarian on a quick glance.

So yeah, eating vegetarian isn't always cheaper.

Not if I want to get all my nutrients and stay healthy!

Seriously it is not cheaper, I tried. I got poorer and extremely ill. Expensive, time consuming, not energy efficient.

The "con" side should probably also point out the risk of injury and/or infection to either party. Genitals of different species are likely to be dangerously incompatible, the size difference with certain species is a problem (see the horse guy) and animals may carry infectious diseases humans don't have immunity to and vice versa. The risk may be low, but if that risk comes with the risk of having to get treatment and thus having people find out what you did to get that injury or infection, I'd say any risk is too high.

That line of thinking is why PETA exists. While I don't agree with their tactics, the idea that we shouldn't enslave, kill, or eat them does technically fall in line with the idea that we shouldn't have sex with them, either.

But for me at least, and I imagine for a lot of other people, those are issues we inherently keep separate. One is actually a fundamental part of our survival (arguably so, I know, but it is something that's kept us going for all these thousands of years), the other has no real essential function.

Good comment.

Eating animals was once necessary for human survival but for most it's not anymore. I don't put it on the same level as having sex with them because of the reasons you give but it's in the same general line of thinking.

Agreed about PETA too. Good concept, horrible execution.

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