[ SECRET POST #2250 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2250 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Stan Lee]


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[Pusher II]


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[nigahiga]


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[code lyoko evolution]


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10. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]



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11. [SPOILERS for Kuroko no Basket]



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12. [WARNING for rape]



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13. [WARNING for abuse]



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14. [WARNING for rape]

[SNSD/Girls' Generation]


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15. [WARNING for dub-con]



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16. [WARNING for sexual assault]

[One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

mutilation is never the answer

i can't believe I'm typing those words in 2013

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Riiiiiight. Please, someone think of the horrible monsters who purposely raped and left a child to die! Oh, you have to handle them with care!

I can't believe there are people who actually fight for the rights of child rapists in this day and age. Disgusting.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not about fighting for the rights of child rapists. It's about fighting for the rights of all human beings, no matter what. Because if we start making exceptions for child rapists, there's nothing to say we won't start making exceptions for less and less heinous crimes and go down the slippery slope. It sounds like something you can scoff and say you won't fall for, but given the sheer number of times it has happened in history -- even recent history (cough McCarthyism) -- tells a different story.

Also? Mutilating a child rapist doesn't magically un-rape the child. It doesn't protect future children from being victimized by him in other ways. It's pure, empty, pointless vengeance that will help no one and be of no good to society whatsoever. All it does is give people a bit of hollow sadistic glee for a while, at the expense of bringing us down so low that we are actually chopping off people's balls in anger. That's pathetic and degraded and just so devoid of human dignity it's revolting.

I couldn't give two shits about the pain of the child rapist, if the guy tripped and fell in a vat of acid and died screaming I wouldn't shed a tear, but I do give a shit about other good people being driven to commit torture. No child rapist is worth sacrificing human dignity and civility in order to exact empty revenge on. There's nothing admirable about becoming barbaric torturers for the sake of getting a bit of satisfaction, and the fact that the object of your torture is a complete monster doesn't change anything.

Now, I wouldn't really judge the child's mother or father for cutting off the child rapist's balls, but the gulf between that and state-sanctioned action is so immense as to not even be comparable.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, yes, I legitimately am willing to fight for the rights of child rapists, because as repellent and horrible as their behavior is, they are still human beings. I don't care about any of that business about "the repellent other" or slippery slope arguments. I don't have any particular sympathy for them, and if it was up to my own personal feelings, they should all die. But it's not up to my personal feelings, and it's not merely a point of what I think should happen to them, it's a point of law and justice.

Our concept of justice says that they they have rights, that they are human beings with rights. As much as we hate them, as deservedly as we hate them, they have rights, and it is necessary to respect those rights, if our system of law is to have any coherence or any meaning at all. Our emotional feelings, no matter how proper, cannot be allowed to get in the way on this one. Our concept of justice does not have room for vindictiveness and cruel torture. That may be satisfying, it may even be good, but it cannot be just. It is irregular and it is cruel, and that's something that justice is not.

Do I think they deserve to have that happen to them? Probably. Do I think that I am competent to make that judgment and to do that, or that government should have the ability to do that? No. I don't think it's compatible with our system of justice. I think that no one wants to live on this earth with people such as those, and I think that the whole world would be made better if they did not exist. But that does not justify torturing them, or giving in to our desire to hurt them, as right as that desire may be.

[(Anonymous)]

They gave up their 'human rights' when they decided to assault a child for their own sexual gratification and then tried to murder them so no one would ever find them. They aren't human, they're sick monsters who threw away their humanity to get themselves off with the use of an innocent child. THEY deserve to have their genitals torn off by hungry dogs. THEY are scum and have no rights.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, no. You don't give up your human rights. That's, you know, kind of the whole point of the concept - they're rights derived simply from being human. And, you know, the fact is that humanity can be deeply depraved and terrible, and you have to acknowledge that and say that human rights exist nevertheless, or throw down the concept of human rights and the whole moral and political system that goes along with it - you can't have it both ways. Evil exists, but there's a just and an unjust way to respond to it.

Again, I agree that these people are monsters, but they're human monsters. Subjecting them to the most hideous tortures might be satisfying. It might be deserved. But it is not just - it can't be just. There is no place for it within a system of justice and right, no place for it within a well-constituted legal system. I don't think the impulse to want to do that is wrong. I don't think that actually doing it would be right, though. No matter how fucking monstrous someone is, no matter how horrible they are, it's a question of the way that we ought to respond to that, of how you live in a world that contains these evil things, and torture is just not the answer to that.