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⌈ Secret Post #2253 ⌋

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Why?

I mean getting beyond the fact that Big 2 comics are kind of culturally important (to Americans, at least) and Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc are going to have broader appeal overall: why?

Why not look elsewhere? Why would you look to the Big 2 comics for something new?

It makes about as much sense as people angry that the Disney Princesses aren't feminist enough. Don't look to Disney--or Marvel, or DC, for innovation. Support something new!

I don't really have a dog in this fight as I gave up on American major comics a long time ago. I can't stand the companies refusal to acknowledge that women do read their comics and in large numbers too. They refuse to change the way they do business (i.e. drawing the women in the incredibly unrealistic T&A poses, drawing the women using porn spreads as a reference for posing the women while their fighting, etc.) and then they whine about how much money their losing 'cause no one is buying their comics/they're losing market share every year (gee, I wonder why? I think even some men, the ones who aren't total neckbeards, are even tired of this shit).

I actually kinda like IM2, but I despise them for the scene where Black Widow changes into her costume in the back of the car while Happy, the limo driver, watches in the rearview mirror instead of concentrating on his driving the fuckin' car (the bad taste that leaves in my mouth is only partially washed out by her fight scene, which I love).

You can't deny that were influenced by what we consume and are bombarded w/daily by the media. Is it too much to ask for decent stories w/decent non-sexualized art for comics? Which a lot of *children* read and not just adults? Or just limiting the sexualized art to appropriate scenes (like bedroom scenes) instead of the fight scenes? Sure they might lose a few male readers, but a lot more women would suddenly be buying their comics. I'd go back to them and so would most of the women I know, but are too disgusted by their business to read them. They'd gain more than they would lose in the end.

These comics as the major force/seller in American comics have a lot more influence than you want to admit.

AMEN. PREACH IT!

Because I quite like comics and I want comics to be good. I guess I omitted the minor premise in my original post, which would be: "Comics written to appeal to the most hardcore, neckbeard-y element of the fan base are usually not good."

All those tendencies, all the things that DC and Marvel do to push to the innermost core of their fanbase, lead them to make comics that are worse. They play up all their own worst tendencies. They add more obscure, recondite continuity. They make things more extreme. They have worse characterization. And I don't think Big 2 comics have to be like that - they can be good, and they can have less of that stuff, and they have in the past.

I do read non-Big 2 comics. I'd also like to read more Big 2 comics and I'd like them to make better comics. And I don't think there's any good reason for them to do what they're doing, except short-term profit margins. I don't think there's any reason Big 2 comics can't or shouldn't make good comics that don't give in to the worst habits of the medium. I'm not saying that Big 2 comics have to be mature and serious, either - I'd just like them to be less shit, and I think playing to the fanboys is a large component of why they so often are shit.

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