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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-08 07:13 pm

[ SECRET POST #2257 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2257 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.



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13. [SPOILERS for A Song of Ice and Fire]



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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games

[personal profile] sugar_spun 2013-03-09 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
I can see some of his points, but there's so many bad or misleading ones I feel like he doesn't have actual criticisms beyond "there's nothing sexist in video games there's nothing sexist in video games there's nothing sexist in video games".

I hate how she keeps claiming this is a “critical analysis” but then she doesn’t actually critically analyze anything.

I agree that she doesn't really go into depth or detail, but I only have an issue with that if she actually claimed it was supposed to be that way, which I'm not sure of. I feel like this video was targeted towards a consumer who does not normally think of things like damsels in distress. I don't think there's many arguments that can be made about the topic that haven't already, so I feel like this was more of an introductory to get people to think about concepts they don't think about. It is probably not for you or me who concern themselves over video games and female presence, even if it is of interest.

The Krystal/Starfox thing is a complex issue and she’s not actually… looking into it… she’s just assuming it’s motivated by misogyny. And it’s not. At all.

And this is what makes me think he's just bent on undermining the idea games have sexist themes and ideas, rather than a rebuttal. I didn't see that as her point at all. She was using it as an illustration. I think she definitely should have brought up the point that Starfox is simply a more profitable brand, but her main contention was the topic of the video: damsels in distress. It was not enough that Krystal had her game taken from her, she also became the helpless sexed up prize of the game. That does really strongly highlight how women are often seen in games.

She’s literally saying, “don’t just make female-lead games...

She's saying that take risks. Investing in a new demographic is not a stupid idea. Playing it safe often doesn't lead the returns a risk might. If men often buy video games, I think it's mostly because culture has not made it acceptable yet for women to be the sole leaders in a story. That is not going to change unless other people change it, and yes, while gaming is a business and this is some excuse, our media is a part of our culture and we can criticize and expect better of it.

Games don’t have female support characters to bring down women.

I really don't think she was objecting to women being in supporting roles, but encouraging the idea that they can and should be in lead ones as well. This video is not 'ew, how dare women not lead every game!', it was 'when women are in games, they are often this sexist stereotype'.

There are psychological differences between men and women. There are different chemicals in the brains of men and women that affect their preferences in activities because evolution.

And yet women make up 40% of gamers--yes, this includes games like The Sims, but my point is that gaming itself is not anathema to women. They are just not encouraged and not given reason to like it that much.

Women don’t choose not to buy video games as often as men because they’re offended by the subtle sexism of Princess Peach being captured by a monster.

That's right. One example of sexism is not why women are not buying video games. It is a pervasive mindset and attitude about women and what sort of hobbies they should be enjoying that keep them from ever stirring an interest in video games.

I don't think this is a particularly well thought out argument. I almost feel like he's not even addressing the video made, but what he thinks it's about.

ETA: I just checked his blog and now I'm sure of it. He is claiming that she asked for the $150,000 she received, which is utterly untrue. She asked for $6,000 and ended up receiving a lot more. I don't think this person has any interest in what she's saying or the legitimacy of her arguments or lack thereof. He is only interested in shutting her up because he doesn't like his hobby being criticized.
Edited 2013-03-09 03:03 (UTC)