[ SECRET POST #2260 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2260 ⌋

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Comments

[fauxkaren]

Pretty sure O'Brien is more manipulative than Thomas.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think so, but I don't feel so strongly as to disagree. She isn't anywhere near as selfish and she has a much better heart, which carries a lot of weight with me.

[fauxkaren]

Well the thing is though.

Thomas ain't that bright.

lol. Like back in series 1, he'd be like "GRRRR I HATE THAT BATES!"

And it'd be O'Brien who was like "hm... maybe you should steal something of Lord Grantham's and try to frame Bates?"

And Thomas would be like "GR8 IDEA!"

Thomas really isn't all that manipulative because he's not as good at scheming as he'd like to think he is, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh we're only looking at the first series? My mistake. I was looking at the characters as a whole across all three series.

[fauxkaren]

lol. Ok.

Here's a couple of other examples of O'Brien being manipulative. In series 2 she manipulated Cora to get Dr. Clarkson to have Thomas assigned to work at Downton Abbey. In series 3 she manipulated Thomas to believe that Jimmy had a thing for him. She also manipulated Alfred to go to the police about what happened with Jimmy and Thomas.

I mean like. idk. Most of Thomas's manipulation stuff was from series 1 - like the way he toyed with Daisy to mess with William.

[inkdust]

If you look at series 3, I'm pretty sure all of those strings lead back to O'Brien.

[(Anonymous)]

In series 3 her manipulations are all reactions to things Thomas did and began with her protecting her nephew and his position. She is far from faultless or blameless but she isn't anywhere near as self serving.

[(Anonymous)]

O RLY?

"Her Ladyship's soap."

[(Anonymous)]

Series 1, as has been pointed out before. AYRT is talking about series 3.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Meh, true. Here I was, thinking there was (or ought to be) consistency in the characters. WHAT WAS I THINKING??

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh, no. She's a pretty rubbish person. She was willing to utterly destroy the life of someone who had been probably the closest thing she had to a friend, just for the chance that her nephew might shoot up the ladder more quickly, even though he's not that good at his job.

Thomas has his reasons to. And while they're more focused on himself, the idea of getting Out and being his own man is a more noble goal than hers.

Plus, again, the way she goes about things is way, way worse.

Thomas makes stupid, selfish decisions, and nine times out of ten, the person who is worst affected by them is him. O'Brien spins and manipulates like a spider and destroys people's lives, or does her level best to.

She is a mean, horrid person.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 This, all of this.

[aubry]

I'd agree with fauxkaren's take on the dynamic though. I mean look at the S2 Christmas Special. O'Brien gives Thomas advice on how to get into Lord Grantham's good books, and then sort of can't believe his epic stupidity when he follows through by stealing the damn dog.

And S3 was a hot mess in terms of O'Brien and Thomas's relationship, but while her trolling at the start had a clear scheme to it, his was just idiotic.