[ SECRET POST #2262 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2262 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sure there is, there's Dobby. He never actually says anything against the institution that enslaves him, he just starts punching himself when he says anything against Malfoy specifically. It is also portrayed like it's something he can't help, like he HAS to hurt himself if he says anything about Malfoy. The reading of that makes it seem like there is some kinda binding magical contract that forces the elves to self-injure if they express an emotion against their owner. The very existence of such a magical contract would imply that elves weren't necessarily willing participants in the slavery, but the fact that there is this abusive instinct/contract even when it's just their personal agency expressing negative emotions outside of the awareness of their owners... I mean, that's magical, physical censorship. So they would be physically unable to express anything apart from approval of their situation. That makes everything positive they say questionable in its sincerity.

[(Anonymous)]

See, the thing is - you're pulling that out of your arse. This is a debate about whether or not you take what the book tells you at face value. It's pointless, nobody can be right.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I'm pulling that out of the entire 2nd book. We don't get an alternate idea of house elves until later. So as a stand-alone, it's pretty convincing. And the things that come after are not as strong.

[(Anonymous)]

"I don't believe the later books"?

Anyway, it's still so much imply all up in your comments, surely you realise that it's all that is to it.

[fadeinthewash]

I had the impression that Dobby's self-harm was part of some reflexive, instinctual loyalty to the family he belonged to. Like a nutty religious type self-flagellating themselves for sinning or something. Though I wouldn't be surprised by a magic contract.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't Kreacher self-harm the same way? He makes it clear he hates serving Sirius and Harry at first but he still has to punish himself.