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15. [SPOILERS for Buffy]
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I know of lots of people (besides you and me) who were touched the most by that scene in the episode, it's heartbreaking.

But I don't understand! I don't understand how this all happens. How we go through this. I mean, I knew her, and then she's, there's just a body, and I don't understand why she just can't get back in it and not be dead anymore! It's stupid! It's mortal and stupid! And, and Xander's crying and not talking, and, and I was having fruit punch, and I thought, well Joyce will never have any more fruit punch, ever, and she'll never have eggs, or yawn or brush her hair, not ever, and no one will explain to me why.

It's perfect, and so so sad :(

Ahhahahahaha...-sobs-

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sootyowl - 2013-03-15 23:58 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2013-03-16 19:50 (UTC) - Expand

Same. The silent collapse when Dawn found out was sad, but what just gutted me was this scene.

A lot of people say that Anya's speech is the most heart breaking moment for them, but for me it is definitely Buffy's segment. The way that everything was filmed in that long shot really captured that sense of disorientation. And then when Buffy refers to her mother as "the body" and then realizes what she's done... I am just gone in a flood of tears.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-03-16 04:08 (UTC) - Expand

Totally this!!

I don't think there's any shame in being affected more by Anya's speech than Dawn and/or Buffy's scenes. Everyone responds to death differently and everyone has different experiences of dealing with death; I think the episode made sure each character's individual perspective was shown so that people in the audience would have someone they could relate to.

I personally feel like that was the most moving scene in the episode; the whole ep was very carefully directed to show the numbness of early grief, with long shots and muffled sound- you're MEANT to feel isolated from the reality of what's happened, since that initial disbelief and detachedness are all the things Buffy and everyone else is feeling and it was purposely given a very subjective perspective to affect the viewer like that. It isn't until Anya (because she is the only one who could say such a thing) tears through the confusion and numbness by saying what everyone else is too busy and knows too many sympathetic cliches about to know the words, and she demands to know why, because it makes no sense. Anya's almost childlike in the way she just doesn't understand how this happens and it's awkward and painful and one of the most raw things I ever saw on the show.

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lunabee34 - 2013-03-16 02:03 (UTC) - Expand

Whenever I watch that episode, I'm a sobbing mess throughout the whole thing but Anya's moment was brilliant and definitely a stand-out.

That scene always gets to me too. I think it's because a lot of us feel like Anya when the death of someone we know and/or love happens. Death is confusing and stupid. That part about her never having fruit punch again really stuck with me. It's just so heartbreaking to think of all the menial things we do every day that they won't ever do again. A few years ago one of my cats died and it didn't really hit me until the next morning when I was feeding my other cat that she would never eat again. That's when I felt the most sadness for her. It's the simplicity of Anya's grief that makes such an impact.

Anya's scene hits me the hardest, too, and it's because I went through something very similar. I was much, much younger than Anya (only about seven, I think?) and when I literally saw someone get run over on my street (and die because of it) no one would talk to me about it. I didn't know how I was supposed to feel or how to process what would happen, and all the adults in my life made me feel like it wasn't okay to ask those kinds of questions. And that's LITERALLY what happens to Anya! Willow tells her that it's NOT OKAY for her to ask uncomfortable questions and that there must be something WRONG with Anya because she doesn't know how to feel... but then Anya has her little outburst because she's not TRYING to upset anyone, she just wants someone to TALK to her, to EXPLAIN it to her, to tell her what's HAPPENING. That speech makes me sob every time.

It is possibly my favorite episode in the whole series. It rings true to my feelings when my mother died and it breaks my heart every time I see it.

While I understood Buffy's and Dawn's reaction to their loss, Anya's scene was amazing. It didn't make up for the way the character got dumbed down but she deserved to have screen time and lines that stole the scene. I never understood why they changed Anya after she got added to the cast. She's fantastic in "Dopplegangkand" then she turns into an idiot. Why?

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(Anonymous) - 2013-03-16 13:53 (UTC) - Expand

Pretty sure almost everyone I know had the exact same reaction, OP, including me.

The way that episode is built up, it's almost set for you to feel numb and then crack with that scene and cry. Or at least that's the way it's felt every time I watch that. I feel very vulnerable and close to many of the scenes, but that's the one that snags me.

That's the scene that I remember most clearly from the episode, which I haven't watched in years. As I recall, it was the first moment that any of the characters really let it all out and voiced their grief. It's a powerful scene that puts into words what a lot of people feel when bereaved but generally don't say out loud. It's no wonder that it elicits the strongest feeling in a lot of people.

This scene hit me the hardest and reminded me of my reaction to my paternal grandmother's death. I was 8 and my BF/cousin kept asking me why I wasn't crying at the funeral and I just didn't understand Gramma was gone until the next day and thought it was pretty stupid.

I know a lot of people who feel the same way, and I think this scene is really well done. But I never understood why Anya didn't understand the permanency of death when she'd been dealing it for hundreds of years.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-03-16 04:01 (UTC) - Expand

Yes!

Particularly because she was getting all this anger from Willow (and the 'omg, here goes Anya' looks from Xander) which always made me furious and she wasn't trying to be nasty, she was just *confused* and no one would explain.....

Yeah.
*sniffle*

Pretty sure there's no "supposed to", anon. Whatever hit you hardest is whatever hit you hardest. Emotional reactions can't be argued with or controlled the way intellectual understandings can.

And anyway, that scene was brilliant and totally heartbreaking and I totally feel you on being crushed by it :(

Ffffffffff, The Body. That scene was fantastic but it's..kinda the whole episode that kills me most. I couldn't hope to choose a best scene. That was a beautiful Anya moment, though, for sure.

I think, in a way, Anya was verbalizing some of what Buffy and Dawn were going through internally/emotionally themselves. I know it's ridiculous, but when my Mom died, even though I was in my late twenties, and supposed to be a big-ol' strong man about it, or somesuch BS, I still broke down and wanted to know "WHY?"

oh man, that scene destroyed me and a lot of people i've come across in fandom, so you're definitely not alone, OP

As someone who has a borderline psychopathic inability to experience grief, except for when I'm empathizing with fictional characters in a fictional setting, this episode (and this speech) hit me especially hard (although probably not in the intended way). I felt horrified (the kind of horrified you get about a tragedy) when Buffy found her mother and broke her ribs trying to bring her back (which, tbf, is pretty normal except for TV never shows us that so we don't expect it, a la Buffy), and then I was upset but fairly empty feelings-wise - which is not normal when I'm watching tv - until Anya's speech. And then I couldn't help but cry because that is the closest anyone has ever come to getting me. The way this episode parallels real grief and real death is eerie.

I only watched this episode once, but Anya's speech is one of the things that resonated with me the most. Last September, I went to a three-year-old boy's funeral, and though I didn't know him personally (he was a second cousin I'd met once), I felt really similar to everything Anya voices in her speech; I kept thinking about how he'd been alive a few days before and then how he was suddenly gone and just the why of it all (he had an enlarged heart his family didn't know about). A similar thing happened when a friend of mine from high school died in a motorcycle accident. If you're like me and haven't lost a lot of relatives (all of my grandparents are still living), then you tend to feel like Anya when death does hit.

The other part of this episode that sticks with me is the scene where Tara tells Buffy about her own mother's death in her sweet way, and the whole thing is sympathetic but also just awkward. It's like, even if you've been there, comforting someone is harder than you'd think---you want to let them know you understand, but they're just reeling and so the connection just gets lost and drowned in the grief.

You're talking about what many people in the fandom, outside the fandom, and in the critical community consider one of the best scenes in one of the best TV episodes in television history. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

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