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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-16 03:16 pm

[ SECRET POST #2265 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2265 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-16 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think we should just be satisfied by female characters because they exist, but I do think that fandom tends to be really unnecessarily hard on female characters. It's like female characters have to be perfect in every way, but it's okay for male characters to have flaws. In fact, male characters seem to be loved because of their flaws. And yes, this is even by people who call themselves feminists.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-16 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
huh sounds like everyday life
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[personal profile] astridv 2013-03-16 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I know, right? Funny coincidence, that.
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[personal profile] brooms 2013-03-16 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It's like female characters have to be perfect in every way, but it's okay for male characters to have flaws. In fact, male characters seem to be loved because of their flaws.

female characters (and minority characters) are judged more harshly because there are usually fewer of them, so they're burdened by the weight of representing All Women.

there's more variety in male representation, so they're free to be anything. dumb, smart, manipulative, funny, brave, skittish, a fool and so on.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-16 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Some of this might go back to the numbers again, I think- when there are fewer characters of a given group (gays, women, Indians, disabled people, etc) in a work or in media as a whole, each one is bearing a larger share of the representations of that group.

Because there are so many straight white male characters (and because they tend to be treated as a sort of default), they have more room to be flawed because their flaws reflect on them as individual characters than on any of the groups to which they belong.

In my experience when you actually do have a work with a lot of varied characters within a group, the responses tend to be considerably more low-key.