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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-21 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2270 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2270 ⌋

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intrigueing: (doctor donna)

[personal profile] intrigueing 2013-03-22 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Rose is great when taken all on her own, but the show, especially season 2 (and a LOT of her fans) sometimes has this undercurrent of "Rose is SPECIAL because of her intrinsic SPECIALNESS" that bugs other people.

You'll probably like her better if you don't get suckered by the show's occasional "you MUST identify with her because she is THE ULTIMATE COMPANION" messages. She's got a specific personality, and if you're not similar to her and take the show's more stannish moments too seriously, she won't sit that well with you.

However, I loved Rose because she was utterly, completely ordinary in every possible way, but only because she never got to be in a position to even try to be extraordinary until she met the Doctor. She was a great study of how utterly ordinary people can be awesome and wonderful and absolutely amazing -- most of them just never know it because they're never in the right circumstances to prove it. I don't know what tumblr post you're referring to, but yeah, most people never get to be in the position to show mercy to a genocidal maniac alien, so they never know if they have it in them, but Rose did get that chance, and she did, because compassion and mercy was simply part of her personality and always had been, just kind of undramatic and unused.

Anyway, that's my take on what made her great. The whole idea that ordinary people have totally awesome things hidden away inside them that can come out if you give them the opportunity.

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2013-03-22 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
CONSPIRATOR! Seriously.

I think the post was a response to someone saying River Song was the strongest companion because she made a dalek scream for mercy or something and it hit all my buttons on how compassion and empathy can take more inner strength then violence and hatred. Which is something rarely shown or shown as a cheesy, beautiful victim, sacrificial lamb type deal that is hard to swallow or aspire to.
intrigueing: (bite me alien boy)

[personal profile] intrigueing 2013-03-22 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, well, that happens quite a lot on DW. The whole general theme of the show is "intellect and romance over brute force and cynicism" (forget the source of that quote, but it's a great one). Violence of any kind typically isn't glorified on the heroes' side in the Davies era, though the Moffat era is...uh...well, Moffat portrays River Song as totally awesome. But she's meant to be a contrast with the Doctor, so there's that.

But yeah, killing is generally portrayed as despicable unless there aren't any alternatives. And even then the heroes aren't completely let off the hook because any killing of any kind is portrayed as unfair and dehumanizing to the target and degrading to the mind and spirit of the killer (er, I'd say it goes a little too far in this direction sometimes to the point where it doesn't always make sense. But some of that can be kind of handwaved by the fact that Doctor has a massive case of PTSD that makes him kind of irrationally and inconsistently allergic to violence).

(Anonymous) 2013-03-22 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
I believe the quote is from the Craig Ferguson Dr Who cold open: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9P4SxtphJ4

It might not actually originate there, but who cares, watch it anyway