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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-24 03:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2273 ]


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(Anonymous) 2013-03-24 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Meh. I was unimpressed with everyone in it.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-24 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
And that clearly makes the protagonist, villain, wise counselor and rightful ruler of Oz all male characters.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-24 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
See the "wonderfully", which is where I feel it fails to deliver.

...Actually, okay, Ozma was kind of awesome. And I don't remember the 'Wizard' book very well. But the movie -- everyone in the movie could have been outsmarted by your average kindergartner.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-24 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
... because it's a children's book. I'm not sure how that's a valid complaint?

(Anonymous) 2013-03-24 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess it's not, if you don't mind all the characters being very stupid?
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[personal profile] truxillogical 2013-03-25 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Are you familiar with fairy tales? (And also children's literature from the early 20th century?)

(Anonymous) 2013-03-25 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
I don't like those very much, either.
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[personal profile] truxillogical 2013-03-25 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
You don't have to like them. But personal taste doesn't change the fact that the Oz books were, in fact, women-centric.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-25 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I just don't see it as that much of a loss.

When you expand it to "all the Oz books" it feels like more of a loss, actually. Some of them were pretty interesting. But the movie? Meh. It's like -- the story of Snow White has central female characters, but I don't feel very invested in their female-ness either.
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[personal profile] truxillogical 2013-03-26 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Your personal feelings don't actually change the facts. It's not a matter of whether or not something is arbitrarily "good." It's a matter of it being a story driven by, and largely populated by, female characters.

I have no idea what the concept of "invested in their female-ness" is supposed to mean, but it makes me think of Arcee and other various pink characters from the 80's/90's.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-25 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Me too, tbh. I didn't read the Ozma books so I can't comment on her, but I always found Dorothy to be an incredibly bland heroine and I was by no means sorry to see her go. The Witch was one-dimensional, and Glinda relied on Dorothy to do most (if not all) of the work, even though she's supposedly so powerful (a comment that people are so quick to criticize this movie for, ironically).