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⌈ Secret Post #2273 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

B) Kids today? Maybe not, but I think a lot of girls of the nineties would recognize Thumbelina. As far as the Brave Little Tailor goes, I have to ask what channels it kept playing on, and how frequently, because I never once saw that short played on TV. It was only after I looked up the summary did I vaguely recall the basic plot, and that was because I read it in one of those Disney picture books when I was a kid. Either way, I think we may have strayed from the initial point, which was that the Brave Little Tailor and the like do not have the same level of recognition as stories like Sleeping Beauty, Rapunzel, Cinderella, Little Red Riding Hood, Beauty and the Beast, etc.

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1) Yup, she's basically a prop. Still gets top billing and is the most iconic element of the story though. Compare how many people remember Phillip's name, as opposed to Aurora.

2) Wtf? Pocohontas is a person that actually existed. Mulan is a legendary character from a poem. While there may have been a woman that dressed as a man to fight in the army (or multiple women, more likely), the character of Hua Mulan is only that, a character. There is a helluva lot more reliable evidence going for Pocohontas's existence than Mulan's.

Mulan is the most popular Asian folk tale for contemporary audience's, yes. Does anyone in Western society outside of academic circles or folk tale buffs actually know what Journey to the West is?

Well, I brought up movie versions and recognizable characters because that's the whole draw of the Oz movie: taking a character everyone is familiar with and giving it a fresh new take. It's a lot less risky to adapt a property all moviegoers are familiar with than to try something new.

As far as his actual quote goes, I read his lament of the lack of "good strong male protagonists" to refer to the possible pool of male leads that could draw in good, strong box office numbers. Like I said before, adapting a well-known property like Cinderella or Snow White is a lot less of the risk than making a movie about the Boy Who Went in Search of Fear. With Cinderella and Snow White, you already get a built-in fanbase who will see the movie based on the premise alone. Same with the Wizard of Oz fans. After opening up Wikipedia and reading the whole quote again in its entirety, I don't know if this is what he was getting at; probably not. In that case, he clearly is unfamiliar with fairy tales beyond the basic ones that everyone knows, which goes back to the point that there are much fewer ICONIC male fairy tale leads.

And yes, if you look at the source material there are a lot of male leads, but like I said, I assume he's approaching the topic from the POV of someone who has just a basic pop culture understanding of the different fairy tales, and not someone who has done extensive reading on the topic. Are there fairy tales with male leads he could have used? Absolutely. But using the Wizard was a much stronger choice from a money-making standpoint than picking a tale from obscurity. And I would still say that, as a whole, the female protagonists in fairy tales definitely outnumber the males (not that that's necessarily a bad thing). Aside from the obvious ones that I've listed, there are plenty of obscure ones like the heroine of Donkeyskin, Brother and Sister, Gretel (really, she was the heroine of that story), the Maiden with No Hands, Snow White and Rose Red, Maid Maleen, Tatterhood, the Farmer's Clever Daughter, the mother in the Little Shroud, the Snow Queen, etc.

That being said, I agree there need to be more movies marketed towards girls that do not center around princesses, and that the whole idea of someone whining that there needs to be more male protagonists is laughable.