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[(Anonymous)]

The Ramones were not particularly influenced by the Beatles, except in the sense that the Beatles had a world-historical impact on popular culture and rock music and every subsequent rock band came into being in a world that was shaped to a pretty huge extent. In terms of their musical style, it's much more shaped by stuff that came before the Beatles or didn't have much to do with them (classic 50s rock most of all). If you want to talk about European punk, again, not much specific musical influence - arguably, the whole Sex Pistols / Clash thing was a reaction against the people who really were the inheritors of what the Beatles were doing (like, yes, David Bowie). And so in some sense, yes, they would not have existed without the Beatles, but that's not really influence.

Bob Dylan's such an original its hard for me to give credence to the claim that the Beatles made him go electric. Altho that claim is really hard to prove one way or the other obviously. With the Beach Boys, I think the Beach Boys considered themselves at the time equals to the Beatles, more than anything. But there is some influence there, certainly Pet Sounds was perceived by them as a response to Rubber Soul.

If you want to talk about the Summer of Love, I would argue that the Beatles were part of that, rather than saying that they caused it or really influenced it. Their adoption of psychedelic shit and Indian mysticism was pretty much at the same time as other people were doing it and they certainly didn't play a big role in creating the hippie counterculture (altho again, that hippie counterculture was in part a product of the idea of Youth Culture that the Beatles played a huge role in).

But as I say, yes, on some level the Beatles influenced all subsequent acts in the sense that they were so popular and so influential and changed popular culture in so many ways. That doesn't mean that they had a specific influence on any given act, and I don't think it's ground for saying that their musical style was sufficiently disseminated to now sound generic... It's true we can't get the shock that the Beatles must have caused on their first release, and of course it's been remarked many times that things look different in life than they do in recollection and we'll never really know. But I think they can still be appreciated, and if someone doesn't like them, it's not necessarily because they've been outpaced by their influence.

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In the case of The Ramones, The Clash and people like Johnny Rotten, I wasn't referring so much to their musical style as the fact that they have all said they wanted to be Beatles and admired them tremendously. Johnny Rotten said he was frustrated he didn't have the skills to be at the level of The Beatles but decided he wasn't going to let it stop him.

Johnny Ramone: “My favorite artists have always been Elvis and The Beatles, and they still are!"

As for Bob Dylan, it's been stated that songs like I Want to Hold Your Hand and House of the Rising Sun by The Animals inspired him to go electric. I highly doubt he did it simply because he's an original. Brian Wilson literally had a mental breakdown after Sgt. Pepper was released. The Beach Boys were certainly up there, but I don't think they considered themselves equal. One time some musicians and bands like The Rolling Stones were sharing the new music they came up with. Paul played a rough cut of A Day in the Life, and the room went completely silent.

Well The Beatles took LSD in 1965, and it was already reflecting in their music (they were also already spreading the message of love on Rubber Soul). The psychedelic movement was still very underground at this point. Their use of the sitar (first band to use it), Indian music and bringing psychedelic music to the mainstream absolutely influenced the era. The Grateful Dead have also directly stated they went from being a jug band to taking music more seriously because of The Beatles.

I do fully agree with your last point.