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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-04-03 06:41 pm

[ SECRET POST #2283 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2283 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-04-04 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I strongly disagree. I think that human beings as a species are complex, but that doesn't necessarily mean that every person within that species is necessarily complex; or at least doesn't mean that they're complex in the way you mean - human beings are layered, certainly.

I also think that you can have villains who don't necessarily have a mental illness or a weepy sob story - you can have villains who are just mean, vicious people. And I think that's accurate to reality. I think you can have villains who just don't have depth, who are just boring people, and I think that's accurate to reality.

In fact, looking at the Nazi analogy, Hannah Arendt argued at great length that the Nazi functionary Adolf Eichmann was precisely that - that he was someone who was an evil man who was also, basically, a deeply boring person with no strongly evil will and no mental illness - that he was essentially a perfectly normal, boring, thoughtless, banal bureaucrat who happened to be partly responsible for one of the most evil things that has ever happened. And whether or not you agree with her account of Eichmann, I think the basic plausibility of her account indicates that this is at least something conceivable - and I think it's both interesting and frightening.

You might say that even such a boredom is a complexity, and you might be right. I don't think complexity in and of itself matters to me. What I'm trying to say is that I think you can have villains who do not have a sympathetic background or a mental illness or any conception that what they are doing is for the greater good, and that this is pretty realistic and an accurate reflection of human life.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-06 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
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It's pretty much a fact that none of the IRL big "villains" actually SEE themselves as a villain. Hitler, Al-Qaida, etc. They are never like "I'm doing this because I'm so evil dur hur!"
The closest thing to resemble someone with a mindset like that (without mental illness) are bullies. Because as far as I know they just like to torment someone because it makes them feel bigger and better but they fully know they are being assholes.