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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-04-04 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2284 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2284 ⌋

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[personal profile] inkmage 2013-04-05 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Mm, true; fairy tales tend to take a "soft focus" approach to stuff like that, where "And the Evil Witch approached the Good King and Queen and bent to one knee, saying, 'I have wronged your daughter and wish to make recompense,' but the King and Queen were good and forgave the Witch, for they knew she could no more harm them than the child she had grown to love like a mother, and so they all lived happily ever after."

Which kind of fits, except for the part that someone below this brought up, where Gothel clearly values Rapunzel as an object, a thing no more animate and with no more independence of thought than the flower, rather than as a person, never mind as her child.
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[personal profile] intrigueing 2013-04-05 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's the part that really made me despise her.

I love how stories work, where really jailworthy actions can be excused if "ah well, it's a fairy tale" but insidiously realistic abusive attitudes are horrible no matter the context ;)

(Anonymous) 2013-04-05 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
The thing is, the really jail worthy actions are usually built straight into the story - and removing them pretty much destroys the story. The realistic abuse? Not so much - plus a lot of us had to live with that kind of behavior growing up and have it written off as 'Well, they weren't *hitting* you, so it's not *really* abuse...' or something along those lines. So excusing that? Hits way too many things that are close to home.
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[personal profile] intrigueing 2013-04-05 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
Yup, very true. Also, I suppose the jailworthy stuff isn't exactly something that hits home for a lot of people, not to mention it's an action that can go in a whole variety of different directions and have different meanings and effects and motivations. Whereas on the other hand, abuse is always abuse.

(Anonymous) 2013-04-05 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
a few times you can see a sort of love for her, almost. but then afterwards, you see it's this fight between loving her as an object and loving her..... idk. She comes close to true affection, but never quite makes the mark