[ SECRET POST #2291 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2291 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Tell you more what?

There are no male equivalents to Cersei that people defend to the extent that Cersei's stans do. Granted Tywin might have one or two supporters but most recognize him as being a shitty person.

Characters like Theon and Jaime are characters who at the very least have changed. I don't know if I'd say they are "redeemed" but we've gotten to the point at least where Jaime is a much more decent person after meeting Brienne and Theon earnestly regrets what he's done and wishes that he died defending Robb.

I was actually looking forward to a similar arc with Cersei when I found out she was getting her own POV but it really just cemented further what a horrible person she was even if it did make her more complex.

[miarrow]

There are plenty of shittier characters than Cersei in the books. The Mountain, Ramsay Bolton, most of the Greyjoys (Theon, no matter his redemptive arc killed two small boys for nothing), Dany's bro who I suddenly can't remember the name of and like I could go on. It's a gross series of books with some pretty terrible characters and I think we got a lot from Cersei's POV. She pretty much plays the game exactly like the men do, but gets much, MUCH more hate from fandom because she's female.

[(Anonymous)]

(Theon, no matter his redemptive arc killed two small boys for nothing)

As opposed to the babies Cersei had massacred?

And yeah the characters you mentioned (except for Theon as I already explained) are pretty much recognized as being shitty people. No one stans for Gregor and most of the Ramsay fans are trolling. You don't have much to stand on here.

[miarrow]

I am not saying Cersei is a good person or hasn't done terrible things, I'm just saying a lot of the arguments against her are by the same people propping other characters up who've done the same or worse and getting blamed for other things.

I happen to like both Theon and Cersei as characters, but they're both pretty messed up.

I have plenty to stand on, but I'm not going to spout examples at you all day, because I don't have the energy so, yay you won, whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

other characters up who've done the same or worse and getting blamed for other things.

WHO exactly? Because I'm having a hard time thinking of characters on Cersei's level who people are defending or looking the other way to the extent that they are for her. Now yes there probably are some people out there stanning for Tywin but they're not the majority of people.

[(Anonymous)]

" (Theon, no matter his redemptive arc killed two small boys for nothing)"

lmfao! This is what you choose as an example of someone "worse" than Cersei?
Have you even read the books? Seconding the example of all the children she orders murdered. Also, her BFF Qyburn and what she has done to Talyse.

[makoro]

Theon earnestly regrets what he's done and wishes that he died defending Robb.

Eh... I feel like it's more than this. Theon has had a pretty shitty life after his failure... If everything had gone his way, he probably wouldn't be as bothered.

Instead, he got Bolton.

[(Anonymous)]

Except it was pretty clear he was already experiencing guilt right after that whole debacle happened. Him having constant nightmares about them afterwards at least shows he was troubled on a subconscious level.

[(Anonymous)]

And not to excuse Theon but it was Bolton who convinced him to kill the two kids.