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⌈ Secret Post #2293 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

lol and for the record, I'm not defending Catelyn here. I do think her treatment of Jon was horrible, and I don't particularly like reading her POV chapters because I'm just... not really interested in her at all. But I still think that Jon would have joined the Night's Watch even if she'd had a good relationship with him.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I do agree he would have joined regardless. He has a determination in him to prove himself more than the name given to him, which I don't think would have changed if Catelyn regarded him as a son, because the views of Westeros would not have changed, and he would still have felt the name as a chain.

But I do think if Catelyn had treated him better, he would have felt he had more than one option. It was Ned's permission to leave that really let him, and had Catelyn let Jon stay Ned wouldn't have given it.

[(Anonymous)]

Now, that's probably true, he really did seem to treat it as his one chance to make something of himself. Though, he's also 15 years old at the time he makes that decision, you know? Everything is the One And Only/End Of The World for a 15 year old kid. But having a loving relationship with Catelyn could have potentially impacted his view of the world, even though he would still have been a Snow and not a Stark.

But I think the social implications of the 'bastard' really did affect Catelyn, I mean it's implied that Ned only cheated once and it resulted in Jon. On top of that, Ned only married Catelyn because his brother that she was betrothed to was killed, and Ned like IMMEDIATELY went to war. She talks about how she hardly even knew him when they were married and conceived Robb. So it's difficult to understand where her hatred for Jon comes from, since she hardly had a loving or trusting relationship with Ned at the time. It seems likely that the social attitudes must look down upon her for allowing a bastard child to be raised as a brother to her own children. Those same attitudes would have been equally at work on Jon, making him eager for glory and achievement that he doesn't seem to think are possible through the Stark family. Though he probably could have been made a knight if the environment had been more welcoming to him, since that apparently isn't dependent entirely on birth. And that would have been something more appealing to his personality and would allow more love and contact with his family, so yeah... there could have been other options. But in terms of the book he was SO set on the Night's Watch that I have a hard time imagining him going a different direction.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually feel for Catelyn and her position in the terms of Jon's birth and those early years. (I've only just finished the first book so I don't know about later on, much more than tumblr has spoiled me). Social views clearly looked down on bastards, and within the first year of her marriage her husband fathered one at war and then brought it home and raised him like an equal amongst her children.

That's not going to be easy to live with and I think while she didn't embrace Jon, she didn't have any obligation too. This isn't like becoming a step-mother to previous children, this is your husband publicly acknowledging he fathered another son. I agree her life was hard in that respect and I can see why she hated him, he was a constant and public reminder that the man who had become her husband wasn't his brother, and for all his honor he had cheated.

Jon had ambitions past being a bastard, and the Wall was the best way for him to get there, and I think no matter what he would have gone there. But I think if Catelyn hadn't been so cold to him he wouldn't have gone at fifteen.