[ SECRET POST #2293 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2293 ⌋

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Comments

[fauxkaren]

Well, he actually has no place at Winterfell even WITH Ned there. Because bastards didn't live with the father's family in Westeros.

But also like, Jon isn't her kid.

And Ned is leaving Winterfell and refusing to take Jon with him.

Maybe idk. Ned, the kid's actual father, should step up and be a parent and take Jon with him?

Or find some other agreeable arrangement like sending Jon to squire for one of Ned's loyal bannermen?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know about Westeros specifically, but I know that squire to a noble family is a spot usually reserved for those of noble birth who wish to become knights or some such position at court? idk

[fauxkaren]

I THINK that in ASOIAF we see bastards who have been raised to knighthood (specifically I'm thinking of Walder Frey's bastards)? So theoretically bastards of noble birth could squire?

Or Jon could have at least be fostered elsewhere or something. Or Ned could have sucked it up and brought Jon with him.

My point is that really it's Ned's responsibility to find a solution for where Jon should go that is agreeable to all parties and it's not Catelyn's responsibility to care for her husband's child. ESPECIALLY considering how in Westeros bastards weren't raised with the father and his family. Jon being at Winterfell was a huge anomaly and his presence at Winterfell is like 50% of Catelyn's beef with him.

[(Anonymous)]

In Westeros it is possible for a person of noble birth or an existing knight to name someone a night even if they're not a noble themselves. I don't know if Jon would have been allowed to squire for anyone, but he could have been made a knight and his skills certainly lend themselves to it. At least in the short stories from long before the GOT timeline, they referred to that sort of fighter as a 'hedgeknight'.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not totally clear how that works though... Davos and Gendry are both knighted and they are baseborn, but they're also both working for leaders who are rebelling against the official government of King Joffrey. So it's possible, but it's not totally evident what the rules are. Davos is knighted by Stannis, who has asserted that he's now the rightful King. The King can basically do what he wants in Westeros, but that doesn't mean Davos would be recognized as a knight or a lord by anyone else. Gendry isn't knighted by a King (or a knight, even, just a nobleman), but knighted into a group of outlaws, so who knows how legal his knighthood is. There aren't a lot of other examples, aside from what you mentioned (the Dunk and Egg stories), which take place about a hundred years before ASOIAF, and so might have different rules.