[ SECRET POST #2293 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2293 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes- I found that really shocking to watch actually, don't show weakness in front of him otherwise he'll leave you behind.

*SPOILER*

But I think the Doctor's idea, that he could leave her alone and expect her to escape without hurting herself without any help or support despite the fact she asked, was wrong. He's always been the one to say he'd always help, he dedicates his life to helping.

[fenm]

Yeah. I really hate the way Moffat often writes the Doctor as a tantrum-throwing child. Which is why he left her to deal with it herself; HE was upset about something, so River just had to suck it up. And then he gets upset about her injury, which he very well could have prevented from happening.

[intrigueing]

Well I think the story was saying he couldn't have prevented it from happening, because it was already written (although I don't get how that works if he could go back in time and cause Van Gogh's monster painting to change yada yada that episode has too many plot holes) but the way he reacted without either trying to help her get out or help her break her wrist as carefully as possible when it failed was just bizarre.

[fauxkaren]

Because time can be rewritten unless it can't because of Reasons.

[fenm]

Eh, I'm okay with that actually. If everything can be re-written, the Doctor would go around wanting to save everyone. If nothing can be re-written, the Doctor couldn't do anything.

And in fairness, the idea's been around for awhile; look at the situation with Adric: The Doctor could have landed the TARDIS on the ship and saved him, still letting the ship hit Earth and kill the dinosaurs, so why didn't he? Because of, as you say, Reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't have a problem with Reasons, but when it has weird contradictory rules that have no basis in even crazy Whoniverse logic like "if someone wrote it down," that makes the story more complicated, instead of nice vague handwavy "no crossing someone's personal timeline" to make the story less complicated, I start rolling my eyes.

[fenm]

Well I think the story was saying he couldn't have prevented it from happening.

Which doesn't justify his attitude. The Doctor's dealt with a LOT of shit he can't change--including the extinction of his whole race--without acting like a 2-year-old.

[intrigueing]

Yeah, that's what my problem was.

[(Anonymous)]

don't show weakness in front of him otherwise he'll leave you behind.

I have no idea where that's even supposed to have come from anyway. Or the whole wtf fandom idea that the Doctor abandons companions. He has never left behind a companion who didn't want to leave him unless there were external circumstances (I mean, yes, the circumstances for Sarah Jane, Jack, and Susan weren't exactly extenuating, but he sure as hell wasn't happy to leave them. He thought it was for Susan's own good, developed a sudden massive alien phobia for revived!Jack, and only left Sarah Jane because he couldn't take her with him and didn't go back because he was apparently was under the impression she had moved on).

[(Anonymous)]

I think his leaving of Jack was mean and horrible, and for all those years just abandoning him. I don't feel there's an excuse. I mean I'm not one of those fans who think he deserves to be beaten up for it (such a bizzare trope in some fan fic IMO) but I do feel it was totally out of order.

[(Anonymous)]

Well yes I agree, but what I mean is that he didn't leave Jack because Jack got old or was weak or he stopped liking Jack or something, there was an externally-imposed reason, albeit a really shitty one (although I obviously can't say exactly how that fixed-point phobia works).

So River's ~"don't let him see you age" and this idea that he makes a habit of dumping people who don't want to leave because he stops wanting them around is still crap.