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[Kuroko no Basuke]

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10. [SPOILERS for Resident Evil 6]

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14. [WARNING for ?? something]

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[Spartacus / Once Upon a Time]

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I never insulted you, I was talking about the books themselves. I have nothing against the people who read them, I just think most things labeled "literature" (as opposed to genre fiction) sound...pretentious.

You do seem a little sensitive, though. Hit a nerve, did I?

I wanted to see if I could get across to you why someone might disagree with you, rather than just cursing you out. Guess it didn't work.

I find it hard to conceptualize how you can claim that literary fiction is pretentious without also thinking less of people who enjoy them. If literary fiction is pretentious, then people who enjoy it take it for what it's pretending to be. And that means that people who like it are either pretentious or stupid. Your whole attitude seems to be that literary fiction is insincere - that it's pretentious, that it exists for "making you question your IQ", that is, solely for seeming smart, and that there's nothing "deep" in them. So what about people who sincerely like those books? What about people who do think there's something deep or meaningful in them? I mean, how do you think people are going to respond to that? It comes across as you dismissing a whole field of literature, and doing so in a way that implies that people who like it do so either insincerely or because they're fools. That's no damn good, any more than it is when people who really like literary fiction say that all YA fiction is childish and bad.

I also think sardines on pizza is gross, but I have nothing against people who enjoy it. I don't see how this is any different. You like something I don't. Yippee. We've discovered that people sometimes have different opinions and tastes. Is it really that strange to you that I can accept that somebody likes something I don't without thinking less of that person? It's really not that difficult - it's not like people's taste in books in any way reflects their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors. It has no significant bearing on who one is as a person, and therefore, whether I also like it or not has no significant bearing on what I think of that person.

If you like it, if you find it deep and sincere, if it means something to you - good for you. For me, I like genre fiction. Genre fiction means something to me, too. Now you can go read your books, and I'll go read mine, and everything will be a-okay.

Nothing you said here is wrong. I don't disagree with it in anyway. It's all great. If all your posts were like this, no one would give a shit.

The problem is that I don't see how you can think this, and also think that the only reason someone would read Brothers Karamazov is because it makes them look smart. If you think that - and you do think that, because you said it, you said that you don't want to read Brothers Karamazov because you don't want to look smart - then that means that everyone who reads Brothers Karamazov and books like it read them only to look smart. And that is a negative value judgment to place on someone. You're the one who's refusing to acknowledge that people have different tastes.

If you really think that one's taste in books has no bearing on one's attitudes, beliefs, or behaviors, why did you talk about literary books like the only reason people read them is to seem smart. If you really think that people can have different tastes, why did you say all literary books are pretentious, instead of just saying that you don't like them. If you don't think any of that, why the hell have you consistently acted as though you have.

*gigglesnort*

"I'm not saying you're pretentious, just that the books you love are!"

"I'm not saying you have bad taste, just that the clothes you like are tacky!"

"I'm not saying you're an idiot, just that your opinions are stupid!"

"I'm not saying you're a bad person, just that your political beliefs are immoral!"

Fuck, yeah, you hit a nerve for basically everyone, bud. Books are pretty serious business.

Also...."literature" is basically used by people to mean complex fiction where the ideas and subject matter, rather than the plot, is the emphasis. Which definitely covers a lot of pretentious books, but pretentious books are only a subset of literature. Or it means "this was published >5 decades ago and people still like reading it." ;)

You don't come across like that at all in any of your comments, and I don't think that you care to. You come across as if you think that everyone should be patting you on the back for not liking something. And then, while railing against the supposed pretension of the thing that you dislike, you condescend to everyone who replies to you and declare that you "know [you're] smart."

You're an ass, and that has nothing to do with the kind of books you like to read.

Yes, because I should totally just grab my ankles and take it quietly when people come in and insult me for my opinion on some goddamn books. Oh, no, they're not asses for their reactions, but I'm totally an ass for mine! Thank you so much for clearing that up!

But good job recognizing that my taste in books has nothing to do with my attitude. You're swell ♥

Who is insulting you? Do you not understand that people felt you were insulting them? No one has said that there was something wrong with you for not liking literature (some people have suggested that you shouldn't write off everything that's labeled literature, but that's not the same as insulting your taste). They've instead reacted by defending their own tastes, because they thought you were saying that it was bad to have them.

You've ridiculed someone else for getting "defensive," and yet you're acting just as defensive and getting just as butthurt, if not more.

you literally started this thread off by insulting people for their opinions on some goddamn books you tremendous brat

I don't know how you don't see this. Pretentious doesn't just mean bad, it has a more specific meaning than that. And I can't see any way in the world how you can think something is pretentious - how you can think that literary books pretend to distinction and depth and seriousness that they do not in fact have - without also seeing something negative about people who like it. It's fucking impossible. That word is an insult. There's no way around it.

It's like if I said "YA fiction isn't fun, it's childish." That's literally the exact equivalent of your statement. Would you seriously say "that's just an opinion, it's not an insult"? Of course people are going to act like you insulted them when you fucking insulted them.

you seem pretty defensive and insecure about something as harmless as books, anon.

read what you want; books are great, and if people are reading them, that's even better!

no one in this thread thinks you're "dumb" or "lesser" for not enjoying literature.

they do, however, think you're an asshole for making generalizations about people who read litfic, and implying that the only reason anyone reads it is to "look pretentious". you've also continued to insult most of the people in this thread.

you're getting angry first, and not stopping to consider a different point of view - that maybe, people who read litfic read it becuase they enjoy it in the same way you enjoy YA.

/tiniest violin

How much have you debased yourself that everything not meant for literal children sounds pretentious?

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