[ SECRET POST #2301 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2301 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 078 secrets from Secret Submission Post #329.
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Comments

Re: serious question about original game gay subtext

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah yeah, I mentioned the Wallmarket gay prostitutes, forgot the inn name lol.

Actually, in a lot of ways I think FFVII is very bold in its gayness - I don't mean gay subtext, because yeah I don't think there's much to speak of per se, but in the Honeybee inn prostitutes (and they aren't the usual "effeminate gay", they're macho men, even if they are played for comic relief Cloud still doesn't act in horror and revulsion, he volunteered to be there after all), Cloud's crossdressing (and he really gets into it, actually, after the idea sinks in), Cloud's ability to kiss Don Corneo and say that Barret's his boyfriend, the fact that Barret is, imo, a character you can date in the game, and even if that's comic relief as well, there's real dialogue that does suggest Barret cares about Cloud and ambiguous flirting... Considering Japanese media prefers subtext but no canon, or "ew effeminate gay guy is hitting on protagonist lol".. I think FFVII is kinda interesting because it seems more normalized than compared to other games.

wow another rant, sorry lol

but at the same time, aside from Barret, I don't see much for gay subtext in the game... with the possible exception of Sephiroth/Cloud, which still didn't reek of "play it for the fangirls", at least not as blatant as in Advent Children. Actually, all of the "real" gay in FFVII didn't seem like "fangirl gay" as much as actual gayness, considering with the exception of Cloud none of the candidates qualify as bishounen.

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[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Most ships I don't think have much basis in canon, so much as convenient and often powerful emotional bonds that I can work with, and the rest comes from fanon.

Although I seriously don't get any Sephiroth ship.

Also, I've long wondered what that whole wallmarket/cross dressing/don corneo/honey bee inn sequence was saying about Cloud's sexuality, on top of his more suggestive lines with Barret. You make a lot of good points about that, and it's one of the more interesting points in the game to me just because of how open and normal everything is there, and the choices that were open to player kind of floored me at the time.