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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-05-11 03:33 pm

[ SECRET POST #2321 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2321 ⌋

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[personal profile] ariakas 2013-05-11 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I... don't know, anon. If "woman X" is Ann Coutler, or someone actively campaigning against the rights of other women, I'd say they're "doing it wrong".

It's important to respect women's choices, but also respect them in the same way we respect men's choices: yes, it is also possible for their choices, like men's, so be shitty and not worthy of respect. To think otherwise is either putting women on a pedestal (all women's choices are noble!), or infantilizing them (goood job! you chose something! good girl, gold star!).

I'm no radfem, but I didn't sign up to treat women like they were princesses or idiots. Women can make bad choices too, and they should be criticized for them.

(Though this is just a tangent really: women aren't fictional female characters. When someone criticizes a fictional character, they're criticizing the author... ...unless they're so tremendously stupid they haven't figured out that fictional characters can't "choose" things yet.)
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[personal profile] dragonimp 2013-05-12 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
I think the difference, though, is to criticize (say) Ann Coulter's choices and actions without saying they make her "less of a woman" or that she "fails" at being a woman.
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[personal profile] sagelazarus 2013-05-12 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I mean, I'm not one who shies away from saying that something makes someone "less of a wo/man," but I tend to mean it in the same way that treating people or animals inhumanely, things like that, makes someone "less of a human." Though, I never say that someone 'fails at being a wo/man" because, nah, you're ALWAYS going to be your own gender. I guess it's in the way that someone thinks of someone as a "great wo/man" or a "Terrible person"

I don't know if I'm making any sense and I'm sorry because I"m slightly too damn inebriated.
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[personal profile] ariakas 2013-05-12 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know if I agree, but someone who actively works against the rights and freedoms of women certainly fails as a human being, if nothing else.