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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-05-15 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2325 ]


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(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt

It's really frustrating. Is it so damn much to ask that they actually step across that line and offend the bigots who would be offended by it? Are they against it themselves?

I agree with your definition, and this is really what bothers me on a fundamental level. Because baiting basically does go through the motions of setting up and establishing this sense of a relationship, and then it tears down. It wants you to believe that something is there, but it tells you there's nothing and feeds that you're just seeing what you want to see because you're weird--hdu taint pure male relationships like that?

This is especially frustrating in anime and manga fandoms, though, because it's also a marketing practice and yet establishes a hard line for people to point at and shame fans who "see things" between the male characters.

Yet, when the choice is either "nothing" or "more of the same", I know I kept chomping at that carrot the industry loved to hold over my nose.

On the third alien hand, subtext is not necessarily queerbaiting

I also agree with your views on this. Although, more relevant to the OP, I often don't find myself feeling like the homoerotic foeyay subtext is necessarily negative just because I'm queer, and it doesn't feel threatening to me. Like that scene from Bond was witty and flirtatious and I loved it.

Yet whenever I think of this whole "homosexual stereotypes = villain" thing, the one classic example I always think of is... Scar. From the Lion King.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
I always thought Scar was vaguely anti-intellectualist...