[ SECRET POST #2325 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2325 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't know. If you look further upthread, it's people laughing at how ridicolous it is to object to possibly appropriative hairstyles. The anti-SJW people themselves (and I've seen plenty of them) arerarely eager to make that distinction. Like, I have seen a lot of incredibly fucked up stuff being said under the guise of anti-SJW/anti"hivemind" or whatever.
And I am really not sure about what constitutes bullying either. Because I definitely think that there should be consequences for being racist/misogynist/homophobic/etc. I don't think it's horrible to try and create an environment where people face social penalties for being oppressive shitbags, and people like me feel safer and more comfortable because we know that the chances of facing the undermining and dehumanizing shit we have irl in fandom are minimized. You can't appeal to everyone's conscience and educate them and show them why saying that lady gaga looks like a tranny does actual real life harm to people. Sometimes yelling at them until they shut up is all there is.

[(Anonymous)]

I have seen a lot of incredibly fucked up stuff being said under the guise of anti-SJW/anti"hivemind" or whatever.

And I've seen some incredibly fucked up things said by SJWs. Like one of the examples above, that you have to like all female characters or else you're misogynistic. While I may appreciate the existence of all types of female characters, I'm certainly under no obligation to like a female character who rapes and murders people onscreen and happens to remind me of extremely painful memories just because she's female.

There are a number of problems I've seen in SJW circles, among other things overly general diagnoses of what the 'problem' is (you're misogynist if you happen to dislike a murderer?), overly personal attacks directed at people, and often a complete lack of crosssectionality (many characters embody several issues at once, and many SJW rants I've seen pick one and use it to crush the others - so if you like a white character because he's gay, you're being racist, etc).

And I am really not sure about what constitutes bullying either. Because I definitely think that there should be consequences for being racist/misogynist/homophobic/etc.

Yes, there should be consequences. But there is a difference between having to face social disapproval for your actions, and having to face a horde of complete strangers coming into your space all at once to hurl abuse at you. I have seen cases where people have been told they've done wrong, apologised, removed the offending material, and still been hounded by both people who were already there and newcomers being called in by the lure of a scandal. I have extremely clear memories of what being bullied feels like, mostly from the aforesaid ableism issues, and I assure you that I recognise the behaviour very well indeed.

I understand that this is a personal thing. I understand that some people genuinely do believe in 'an eye for an eye' and consider it real justice. I, however, do not.